I've only done Veeder from the Napa side and it's been a while. Memory says it's not that bad, Dry Creek was tougher.

MP and I did Ink Grade on Thursday also not a bad climb. Howell is also not bad, neither is Mount George, but ride it early to avoid traffic.

So, what is a tough climb? Welch Creek is a bad climb, double digit steep and unrelenting. Sierra Rd. is nearly as bad.

The last 4 miles of Mt Hamiliton are tough. Not as steep as Welch Creek or Sierra Rd, but steeper than Diablo and unrelenting.

V.