i got yelled at today

[redrhodie]

Not that I'm one for revenge, but if I were, I have the perfect plan....

This couple performs a cabaret act. No reason I shouldn't get first row tickets, is there? heh, heh. There's no way he wouldn't choke if he saw me in the audience. He'd lose all concentration. It would be divine to see him blow it in public.

[Trek420]

Not that I'm one for revenge, but if I were, I have the perfect plan....

This couple performs a cabaret act. No reason I shouldn't get first row tickets, is there? heh, heh. There's no way he wouldn't choke if he saw me in the audience. He'd lose all concentration. It would be divine to see him blow it in public.

Yep, you and a whole lot of friends in the front row....or informational picket at the door.

I was very cool, hoping he would see he wasn't being rational. It ended with the wife taking the phone, and she was more reasonable, but still not quite professional. She claimed that my insistance that the supplier be paid was insulting, and that maybe I didn't pay my bills, so that's why I would accuse them of not paying theirs. Kind of nutty, right?

Hah, no, he's not going to see he's being unrational because trust me on this he's gotten others to do work for free, pay for supplies this way before.

[Zen]

Oh, i wish you hadn't given him the product.
He doesn't have any legal legs to stand on, particularly considering you have at least some record of your business dealings.

He'll finance his way right into bankruptcy and dig his own grave via aneurysm.

[redrhodie]

So now they want me to contact one of the maufacturers (the one who has still not been paid) to get the molds I had made sent to them. They'd "greatly appreciate any assistance". Sheesh! What a noive!

How does this sound for my response: "Since Bill referred to me as a "mealy mouth *****" and a "f***ing c**t" (among other things), in our conversation this morning, I am no longer wanting any involvement with either of you."?

Or, should I just call the guy, have the molds sent, and be done with it?

[Zen]

Or, should I just call the guy, have the molds sent, and be done with it?

ABSOLUTELY NOT
He's on his own. Obviously he's pi$$ed everybody off and thinks you might be malleable enough to do his dirty work.

Be done with him.

Do you have caller I.D.? Don't even deal with him on the phone, do everything else by email so you'll have records.

[teigyr]

I wouldn't talk to him, I wouldn't send anything to anybody, and I would pretend like he doesn't exist. That includes talking to his wife, other business partners, or anybody else to do with this.

That's just me though I know you did a lot of work for free but you should give up nothing else. That includes postage, time, or anything.

Rude. I read this earlier today and couldn't believe it. What a bully!

[Trek420]

The work you've done, till paid for by him .... or another client is yours to keep. If he wants to deliver a contract and pay you for the work done so far, and a hefty "I'm sorry I was such an **hole" fee I'd be done with him.

I'd report him to the BBB so prospective workers etc are warned.

As for the behavior on the phone that's unaceptable. I work in a call center and I don't tolerate it. Even when we've really f*cked things up and deserve to be called every name in the book you're talking to me, not a company, I'm a person. I will apologize up the yazoo if we blew it and even if we haven't done anything wrong as in "I'm sorry your payment that you mailed three months after it was due was late but..." and I can calm almost anyone down.

But I usually warn the caller I won't be talked to that way if they continue they go on hold till my ears stop ringing.

People are really rude these days.

[Bad JuJu]

I wouldn't talk to him, I wouldn't send anything to anybody, and I would pretend like he doesn't exist. That includes talking to his wife, other business partners, or anybody else to do with this.

That's just me though I know you did a lot of work for free but you should give up nothing else. That includes postage, time, or anything.

I'm 100% with teigyr on this--don't waste any more time or energy--psychic, physical, or otherwise--on these creeps. What's almost as bad as the yelling is their refusal to listen to you. Nobody should have to put up with that.

I took a pay cut to leave one job and take a new one about 7 years ago because my boss yelled at people, sometimes in public. He never yelled at me, but it was just too hard working for a guy that I knew could go off at any moment if things weren't going his way. It was well worth the $3k a year I gave up to find a place where I could do my work in peace.

[Duck on Wheels]

So now they want me to contact one of the maufacturers (the one who has still not been paid) to get the molds I had made sent to them. They'd "greatly appreciate any assistance". Sheesh! What a noive!

How does this sound for my response: "Since Bill referred to me as a "mealy mouth *****" and a "f***ing c**t" (among other things), in our conversation this morning, I am no longer wanting any involvement with either of you."?

Or, should I just call the guy, have the molds sent, and be done with it?

Just tell them that the way to "get those molds loose" from where they're stuck is to pay for them, and that you are not about to do that since you haven't been paid yourself.

In fact, call the folks who have the molds, and say that since these folks owe you for them you'd like to have them back so you can hang onto them until you get paid.

[redrhodie]

Just tell them that the way to "get those molds loose" from where they're stuck is to pay for them, and that you are not about to do that since you haven't been paid yourself.

In fact, call the folks who have the molds, and say that since these folks owe you for them you'd like to have them back so you can hang onto them until you get paid.

I did that today. The manufacturer received their check (yay!), but said he wouldn't send the molds until it cleared.

[Duck on Wheels]

OK. I guess. But I thought you made the molds and hadn't been paid for them. That would mean that you sent them on to the next step in the process on the understanding that you would, soon, be paid. Meanwhile, those molds are yours and are only on loan. So if it were me and my business, I'd hang onto them.

[Trek420]

I did that today. The manufacturer received their check (yay!), but said he wouldn't send the molds until it cleared.

He needs to wait until you are paid. Does the Mfr. know that you haven't? Once he sends them on .... you never will.

Again, not a lawyer, don't play one on TV but creative work is work and if he sends it on it's like sending work he doesn't own which could be a liability issue to the Mfr. Your client is bypassing you to get as much done for free.

And he'll do that to any other artist along the way.

If he can get the mold without paying you....then he'll go on and get it built but sc*ew the packaging designer or get it shipped but rip off the cost of materials and so on. All to get it done by the holiday ah....the spirit of Christmas

Don't enable him, work with the manufacturer who is already suspicious of his methods.

Neither of you will ever do work for Mr Sociopathic Cheapskate again, but if he wants to work with you again you can be a team on this.