Quote Originally Posted by kauai_gal View Post

I am just getting into cycling. After weeks of driving my SO and the LBS guys nuts, I have decided that I would like:

- a steel frame (I love the look/history/durability of simple steel frames)
A steel frame is going to weigh a pound or two more than an equivalent carbon-epoxy frame.

A full bladder weighs about a pound or two. Pee before you ride, and you'll never notice the weight difference in your frame.

The Pacer is a lighter bike than the LHT. They are very different bikes.

Honestly, what you put ON the frame has more to do with the weight of the bike than the material the frame is made of.

My steel Surly Cross Check with all her fenders and racks and lights and sprung Brooks saddle, etc, easily weighs near 30 lbs. My steel Waterford X-12, even with her sprung Brooks saddle, weighs only 21.5 lbs. Because she doesn't have fenders and racks and lights and fat tires and huge BMX pedals, etc. etc.