down hill scardy pants

[OakLeaf]

This seems like a good time to insert the lecture again.

Being familiar with a hill means you know where the line goes - camber, turn radii, cracks and potholes, etc.

It does NOT tell you whether there is an obstacle or a slippery surface around the next blind curve, or whether a deer or groundhog is about to dart across the road.

If you notice yourself getting a lot faster as you become familiar with a hill, search your soul as to whether you could really stop or swerve in time if there was oil or gravel just around the turn, or whether (in the classic Motorcyclist example) one lane was blocked by a refrigerator, and the other by the pick-up truck that just dropped it.

The limit on your speed should always be your sight distance and your braking and swerving skills. Work on those skills and enjoy those descents! (I love them! but I know I can be a little over-bold and ought to be doing more skills drills. )

[tctrek]

This seems like a good time to insert the lecture again.

Being familiar with a hill means you know where the line goes - camber, turn radii, cracks and potholes, etc.

It does NOT tell you whether there is an obstacle or a slippery surface around the next blind curve, or whether a deer or groundhog is about to dart across the road.

If you notice yourself getting a lot faster as you become familiar with a hill, search your soul as to whether you could really stop or swerve in time if there was oil or gravel just around the turn, or whether (in the classic Motorcyclist example) one lane was blocked by a refrigerator, and the other by the pick-up truck that just dropped it.

The limit on your speed should always be your sight distance and your braking and swerving skills. Work on those skills and enjoy those descents! (I love them! but I know I can be a little over-bold and ought to be doing more skills drills. )

Well said. We always need to have a balance of skill and awareness mixed with the sheer joy of downhill.

[Kelly728]

<~~Joins the scaredy cat hill club

I have always been like this. I remember back when I was 7 or 8, riding out the neighborhood on my bike. There was this "large" hill one street over and I braked the whole way down. It wasn't because of a fall, I'm just extremely timid and have difficulty being fearless.

[Reesha]

I don't know what happened to me-- as a child, I would bomb down hills with no helmet and then skid out as soon as I hit the bottom to see how long of a line I could make. Lived on a dirt road that was a giant hill!

Methinks common sense set in with age

[hipmama]

Oh yes, as a kid I flew down the hills, even in college when I lived in the mountains I was fearless. I think it's something about being a mom now... there's this whole different respect for my life needing to be preserved.

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Personally, I would call the original poster "Down hill SMARTY pants" instead of "down hill scardy pants".
I was terrified of downhills when i started biking- very very cautious.
But glad I was! Now I have much more skill and confidence.
I can't believe some of the dinky hills I used to brake on and be terrified of. But HEY, I was SAFE and I slowly gained confidence without ever being reckless or taking chances. Lets not confuse common sense with being 'chicken'.

[Crankin]

Yeah, and I just don't get the "line" thing. How do you know what your "line" is? Is there some magical secret?
I can get up to 30+ or so if it's straight, but if I have to turn, forget it. I still feel like I have no control of the bike and I will find myself not where I want to be. Yes, I look ahead, lean in the direction of the turn, put the leg down, etc. It is not my bike, it's me... I will be over on the wrong side of the road if I start going over 25 on a right hand turn. I do better with lefts for some reason. Then there's the fear. Since I have been riding for almost ten years, I have given up. It's actually getting worse. On group rides I am the only one who loses time on the descents.

[OakLeaf]

Yeah, and I just don't get the "line" thing. How do you know what your "line" is? Is there some magical secret?

Your line is whatever line you take.

You can learn faster lines through familiarity with a corner. Some corners have only one fast line. Some have several ways that you can set yourself up for the next corner. Most corners have a single apex (the point where you get closest to the inside); some are double or even triple apex.

In general you can take a corner faster by "straightening" it as much as possible, by moving to the outside of your lane on corner entry and exit, and squaring it off by moving to the inside at the apex. But other factors affect the fast line, notably camber, obstacles such as gravel, grates and potholes.

Then, of course, if you're not riding on a closed course, you have to take visibility into account when choosing your line - the likelihood that oncoming traffic will be drifting into your lane, etc.

This article was written for motorcyclists, but keeping in mind that bicyclists usually want to choose tighter lines, it's helpful.

[Zen]

On group rides I am the only one who loses time on the descents.

Hello, are you me?
It's a p$$r too because I can climb like a demon

[tantrumbean]

Yeah, and I just don't get the "line" thing. How do you know what your "line" is? Is there some magical secret?
I can get up to 30+ or so if it's straight, but if I have to turn, forget it. I still feel like I have no control of the bike and I will find myself not where I want to be. Yes, I look ahead, lean in the direction of the turn, put the leg down, etc. It is not my bike, it's me... I will be over on the wrong side of the road if I start going over 25 on a right hand turn. I do better with lefts for some reason. Then there's the fear. Since I have been riding for almost ten years, I have given up. It's actually getting worse. On group rides I am the only one who loses time on the descents.

I might be reading this wrong, but are you turning your handlebars in the same direction the turn goes? I found my cornering improved 100% after reading Zinn's stuff on counter-stearing, i.e. actually turning the handlebars slightly in the opposite direction of where you want to go in a corner - makes the bike lean over more and means I no longer end up on the wrong side of the road. Took some getting used to but works great!!!!