Feminists? Any here?

[Jewell]

OK Jewell, I'm curious: What is the male equivalent of "feminism"? That is, what is to men, like feminism is to women? I'll also be curious as to your views on how that concept of the "male equivalency" coexists with what I believe your definition of feminism is...without one being subordinate to the other.

The male equivalent of feminism? This could become a very interesting in-depth discussion if you truly wish to understand how men can support women in the feminist plight. Though, I'm not sure that is what your really asking. Sounds like your fishing for something else. Men can be feminists, I know men who call themselves feminists, but I also know men who rather call themselves pro-feminist. Their reasoning can be quite in-depth, and its not something I think I can full address here.

I couldn't DISagree more. Don't confuse consumerism or social injustice with capitalism. A capitalist saves without flaunting...and social justice allows capitalism to thrive. Your attribution to capitalism is very misguided in my humble opinion.

I suppose I shouldn't have mentioned capitalism. Its so difficult for us rich westerns to understand the negative side of capitalism. Many of us are rewarded by it so much so we can't imagine how its functioning allows social injustice to fester throughout the world. Its a charged topic, I shouldn't have mentioned it. Misguided, no, mindful, yes.

Keep in mind, your views are not just a function of your observations of society, but also the perspective that you possess in making those observations. There are others who have a different perspective who shouldn't feel minimized because they see it differently than you do.

For example:

you see, I always saw George as the negative point of that...he expected physical attributes of others that he could never attain or possess himself...and was satified with nothing less. Kinda sad...since Hitler did the same thing in defining an ideal appearance that was the opposite of his own physical characteristics.

George is an example I gave to describe the horrible beauty standards that are expected of women tv compared to men. Regardless of what kind of character you think George is, look at any show on tv and you will see amazing disparity between beauty standards of men and women.

Its so interesting how the very mention of women's rights brings up so much hostility...