Stem and Hoods questions

[Mr. SR500]

Saddle should be set up for your legs both power and comfort - reach adjustment comes via the stem and bike size.

I agree your bars should be rotated up, I like the top of the bars to be flat as it joins the hoods, not sloping down as you have.

You stem looks like about a 110 mm, you can easily go shorter and with a higher angle. My wife runs a 60 mm 30 degree stem. That is about as short as you want to go, but works great for her.

Looks like you have lots of adjustment to get you feeling good on your bike.

[Eden]

ah the endless quest for bike fit....

If your elbows are always straight out, I would think that just changing the bars will be unlikely to make enough difference - it sounds like you need a shorter stem, and possibly different bars.

If you do go with different bars, see if there is any way you can try them out first.... Personally though I am a small person and have small hands, I found ergo bars with a very shallow drop to be *very* uncomfortable... I was banging my forearms on the ends of the drops and actually bruising them... I prefer pretty traditional rounded bars and a decent sized drop. Though I have small hands I've never had any problems with standard levers hoods, but if its an issue for you - look into shimming your levers out a bit.

As we are all different.... I would have to disagree with Mr. SR.... for me, I like having my drops parallel to the ground... otherwise I feel like I'm all the time sliding off of them... I prefer to move my levers down to achieve a flat hood over rotating the bars (though from your photos it looks like that may be hard to do with the style of handlebar you have - it looks like there is little flat to the top of the bar...). Moving the levers down also moves them closer to the drop portion of the bar and should make them easier to reach. It seems to be in vogue these days to rotate the bars up and place the levers very high??? (or maybe my bike was just assembled by a teenager who didn't really know what he was doing) Just not comfy for me.

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

You stem looks like about a 110 mm, you can easily go shorter and with a higher angle. My wife runs a 60 mm 30 degree stem. That is about as short as you want to go, but works great for her.

Yes I agree, you have a pretty long stem on there for someone with reach problems. Personally, I would recommend you try a 70 mm, and yes stay with a stem that tilts up. Perhaps an adjustable stem might be a good option too.

[Triskeliongirl]

While folks have thrown out lots of good ideas, I think the next step for you is finding a really good fitter. I know that is not easy, but it seems a previous poster gave you a good suggestion, so before you buy a new stem or bars, I would explore that. I am sorry but no matter how well meaning we are, there is no way a bunch of folks can fit you to your bike on the internet. Sure, you can collect information on solutions that have worked for others to share with your fitter, but you need to be fit by an experienced person that can watch how your body responds to subtle tweaks.

Indeed, saddle position needs to be set for power over the pedals, not to correct a reach problem. Then stem length, stem height, bar reach, drop reach, drop shape, and lever positioning, are all paramaters that can be manipulated, and are influenced by your flexibility and personal preferences. I too MUST have my bars parallel to the ground, or the drops feel wrong, but I also like them flat on top, which you can get with the right bar and lever positioning.

I figured this all out the hard way, and then only finally as part of a new bike purchase did I complete my journey by discovering that the owner of a local shop that I had never tried before has outstanding fitting skills.

Good luck to you, and keep us posted how it works.

[GraysonKelly]

Ok,
I've gotten a lot of really good information and I thank you all for taking the time to respond. Now, let me see if I understand all of this...
1. I need a bike fit, it's the only way I'm gonna get this really straightened out.
2. I possibly need a new stem that is shorter but still steep?
3. I could try rotating the bars up just to see if that would solve the problem.
4. I possibly need a new handlebar that is perhaps not quite as wide and isn't as "big" as the one I have now (ie I think by more shallow drops that you mean that the bars themselves curve too far forward thus making them harder for me to reach)
5. Now, the purpose of shims is to bring the actual levers closer to the bar, right?
Okay, boy, writing that out helped it make more sense. I'm gonna call that place that was mentioned and see if I can schedule a fit. I'm hoping that my LBS didn't actually sell me a bike just for the heck of it. When he sold it to me, he said it was a good size for me and it did feel good at first, but since I've been riding it on the trainer, it has been bugging me. So hopefully it's not totally wrong because I absolutely cannot afford another one.
So anyway, I appreciate all the advice and I'll keep you all posted...if I get her all fixed up I'll take some pics and show you.
Have a great day,
Gray

[Eden]

1-3 spot on
4 - shallow refers to the distance between the top of the bar and the drop. Reach - distance that the bars stick out forward, width - how wide side to side
5 -yep, shims move the lever a little closer into the bars. If you shim then your brakes does have a little less throw, but I don't think its generally an issue

[GraysonKelly]

1-3 spot on
4 - shallow refers to the distance between the top of the bar and the drop. Reach - distance that the bars stick out forward, width - how wide side to side
5 -yep, shims move the lever a little closer into the bars. If you shim then your brakes does have a little less throw, but I don't think its generally an issue

Cool! I can live with 80%! Thanks!

[Triskeliongirl]

Margo, what do you think of Eden's remark that shimming effects the braking effeciency (I think that is what she means by 'throw' but not sure). I have shims on order for my new bike. I am fine reaching the levers and braking from the hoods, but in the drops, i.e. I couldn't ride with my fingers contacting the levers, I'd have to move them out to brake so was thinking to shim, but I don't want to compromise my braking effectiveness. I am used to ultegra 9 short reach levers. I agree, these durace 10 ones are ridiculously huge, but I am not going to change them now.

1-3 spot on
4 - shallow refers to the distance between the top of the bar and the drop. Reach - distance that the bars stick out forward, width - how wide side to side
5 -yep, shims move the lever a little closer into the bars. If you shim then your brakes does have a little less throw, but I don't think its generally an issue

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Margo, what do you think of Eden's remark that shimming effects the braking effeciency (I think that is what she means by 'throw' but not sure). I have shims on order for my new bike....but I don't want to compromise my braking effectiveness. I am used to ultegra 9 short reach levers.

I'm not Margo, but...I don't think shims effect the brake efficiency- they just mean it won't take as big a lever movement for the brakes to engage the rims. Your brakes won't be 'weaker'. I think by 'throw' she meant 'play'.
I have the shims on my Ultegra 9speed short reach brifters, and I just lOVE them. I feel so much safer now that my fingers can actually get a good grip around the levers.

[Eden]

Margo, what do you think of Eden's remark that shimming effects the braking effeciency (I think that is what she means by 'throw' but not sure). I have shims on order for my new bike. I am fine reaching the levers and braking from the hoods, but in the drops, i.e. I couldn't ride with my fingers contacting the levers, I'd have to move them out to brake so was thinking to shim, but I don't want to compromise my braking effectiveness. I am used to ultegra 9 short reach levers. I agree, these durace 10 ones are ridiculously huge, but I am not going to change them now.

I don't think it necessarily will affect the braking efficiency, it just means you have less far to squeeze before you actuate the brake..... its not inherently negative though- just depends on how you like your brakes adjusted. If you tend to like them loose it might be harder to achieve that feel.