man beaten by motorists (not cycling!)

[wannaduacentury]

Poor man. And I bet those women feel pretty badly, they certainly never would have intended that outcome. Let's hope they catch the man who knocked the old man out.

If those young ladies had the maturity to just stay in their car and just deal with the traffic, they would have been on their way a lot sooner. The young man should have left him alone as well. As for the older man spraying the girls w/ the waterhose (they probably deserved it) and who hasn't thought of doing that to someone who is just being irrational(even though it isn't right- I know). I'm sorry he died. If they catch the young man who hit him, he'll have to serve time and he'll cool his heels behind bars and have a long time to think. The impatient young ladies(since one of them/the driver-she talked to police) should have to do community service watering flowers and helping keep up the grounds in the city. Teach them some lessons in patience. Regardless of the traffic problem at the moment or why it's there, is no reason to hurt someone. Just my two cents. Jenn

[mimitabby]

they did catch him. he turned himself in to his minister, with his family. he had been trying to turn his life around. His girlfriend was one of those three girls and she called him to come help, so boy; he did. He wasn't set out to murder someone. But he lost his temper again and lost his freedom again. And another human being died.

Some people never learn.

[MM_QFC!]

If those young ladies had the maturity to just stay in their car and just deal with the traffic, they would have been on their way a lot sooner. The young man should have left him alone as well. As for the older man spraying the girls w/ the waterhose (they probably deserved it) and who hasn't thought of doing that to someone who is just being irrational(even though it isn't right- I know). I'm sorry he died. If they catch the young man who hit him, he'll have to serve time and he'll cool his heels behind bars and have a long time to think. The impatient young ladies(since one of them/the driver-she talked to police) should have to do community service watering flowers and helping keep up the grounds in the city. Teach them some lessons in patience. Regardless of the traffic problem at the moment or why it's there, is no reason to hurt someone. Just my two cents. Jenn

right, and I posted the link to the newspaper article a bit earlier this afternoon, so you can read about him turning himself in...
+1 to what Mimi said...and I'd also say that those "young ladies" as you termed them, acted anything but ladylike and were lots more than impatient...how about rude and confrontational for starters?
The article cites the police and/or witnesses statements that the (now dead) victim did not provoke their tirade or violence against him and he did not strike back...just disgusting, the whole thing...really, really sickening how some people act towards others and somehow want help in explaining it away...sheesh!

[smilingcat]

The whole thing is really sad. I really hope they throw the book on the attacker. I could care less about his skin color.

Assailant's action is just so hypocritical. A GOOD CHURCH MEMBER. IN PRAYER before surrendering to the police. What?? If you have the good conscious to be praying and believe in god/religion, you should have a lot more respect to others.

Maybe I'm just really old fashioned in many ways. I dress properly for the office. None of this tank tops/shorts/skorts/athletic wear... Almost always in business appropriate attaire. then again I have to be. Every e-mail starts with proper salutation Dear Sir, Dear Madam, Dear Ms./Mr./Dr. so-and-so. And out on the town same sort of thing...

Here I tend to be very casual, still. Its on very rare occasion you will hear me use profanity or raise my voice. I have no need.

The girls who started the altercation and increased the level of hostility should also be arrested. You just can't go along in life screaming and demeaning other people. Just so self centered.

I wish our country had a mandatory community service for all young people. Help clean the park. Help out the elderly. help out the handicap. And learn about why it is so important to be active in your community in a positive way.

AWWWGGG!!! this is just so maddening.

Thank you with the followup. I would like to have closure on this story. What will he be sentenced with? in-voluntary manslaughter, murder 2... and what will happen to the girls? Can't they be prosecuted with something? anything??

I just can't fathom this cruel twist of fate on the victim.
Smilingcat

PS. my house is on a corner with one street being a narrow one way street. One self centered service guy parked his service truck right in the middle of the road to service one of my neighbor's cable TV. A car came down saw that the street was blocked. She could have made a right on front of my house and detoured down the next street. No. She drives up to the bumper and just layed on her horn for about 10 minutes. Another neighbor came out from his sleep (it was before 8:00AM). She gives him the finger and starts yelling at the sleepy neighbor "Get your F**& car out of the way." Neighbor says its not my car so she starts screaming more obsenity at him and so it went for about 30 minutes. with her laying on the horn for good 20 minutes. The neighbor whose cable was being serviced didn't even bother to come out and check. They didn't want to be bothered. And my partner well... I wish I was there cause I would have called the police. Had the service truck ticketed, and girl a ticket for disturbing the peace...

[Aggie_Ama]

I found quite a bit of irony in the whole "praying, etc..." Sorry to be callous but he was doing it to look favorable to the media/judge/jury whoever. Through the book at him!

[teigyr]

I know enough to not automatically believe all media (because their information can be limited AND sometimes they run to sensationalism) but there is something that disturbs me about the girls admission. They WAITED there? Not to mention that one of them told the guy, who had a history of crimes and violence, that there was an altercation and where it had happened.

I think that if I was peeved at someone and I told a friend/boyfriend about it, knowing that he was predisposed to violence and he might act out, that I would be equally guilty if something were to happen.

We get roadblocks all the time up here. We also get people gardening in the roundabouts. It isn't that big of a deal. You go around the other side and the areas that have the roundabouts aren't big huge streets. They are smaller neighborhood streets that might have traffic but it isn't like the traffic is heinous and non-stop. People go on the wrong side of the roundabout all the time even if there isn't a roadblock just out of laziness or convenience, too.

The more I hear about this case, the more it bothers me. I also am starting to think the girls manipulated the guy because they wanted revenge.

I know I can't obsess over the whole thing but it's scary to think that somehow you can make the wrong person angry and die over it.

[MM_QFC!]

...he was charged with 2nd degree murder; yesterday he entered a plea of "not guilty"...he caused a man's death with his sucker punch, then ran away from it all...so I wonder who he thinks IS guilty or responsible??

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...circle29m.html

[wannaduacentury]

right, and I posted the link to the newspaper article a bit earlier this afternoon, so you can read about him turning himself in...
+1 to what Mimi said...and I'd also say that those "young ladies" as you termed them, acted anything but ladylike and were lots more than impatient...how about rude and confrontational for starters?
The article cites the police and/or witnesses statements that the (now dead) victim did not provoke their tirade or violence against him and he did not strike back...just disgusting, the whole thing...really, really sickening how some people act towards others and somehow want help in explaining it away...sheesh!

I agree, it should have never happened, and he would still be alive. Very sad indeed. Jenn

[Flur]

Wow. The first article posted just disgusted me. But the second article.... He prayed?!? They contacted the NAACP?? WHAT?? He killed a man, and he thinks he deserves the support of the NAACP?!?!? It seemed like the author felt sorry for the guy that did the punching. That made me feel a bit ill.

Granted, my understanding of the situation is based on the articles posted, but it sounds like the guy showed up, punched the poor man watering the circle, and left. That sounds like premeditated violence to me. And he has a history of violence, so it's not like he doesn't know his own strength. I hope they prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. And the girl that called him too - she's an accessory and should also be prosecuted.

[mimitabby]

well, Flur, I agree about the girls, they should be considered accessories, but they were released. The puncher is going to jail for a long time, but you must understand, he had good reason to be afraid of turning himself in, it's not a good thing to be a black man sometimes when it comes to dealing with the police.
(or a bicyclist either for that matter!!! )

but he DOES have a history of violence, so he won't be seeing the light of day anytime soon. And someone is dead bottom line, and the community is mourning. An ironic aside, when the bad guy's pastor moved to the neighborhood, Paroline (the man that died) gave her some perennials that are still blooming in her garden...

[Iris616]

Every thing about this story makes me sad. So many wasted lives over nothing!

Since I am not religious, I won't judge the man for praying before he turned himself in; maybe it's what he felt he needed to do. However, pleading "not guilty" and avoiding responsibility doesn't seem to be in line with christian beliefs.

[OakLeaf]

Pleading not guilty is not the same thing as avoiding responsibility. It's just an opportunity to let the system work, and not throw yourself on the mercy of one randomly selected judge (randomly selected on the duty wheel, I didn't mean randomly selected to the Bench ).