Landis Hearing

[sklarewc]

Ok, let's see, PinkBike thinks Lemond is a blamer, and ZenCentury "blames the French for everything," and no one thinks Landis's post and attempts at witness intimidation reflect anything about his character? And "what's up with that?" is viewed as offensive sarcasm--?
Whoa, sorry, I still have to say, I don't understand these reactions.
BTW, the "most compelling" part in my last post was a quote from Velonews, not my personal view. I suspect there was more to the testimony than the short quote that was included.

[xeney]

Nobody was telling you your sarcasm was offensive; she was explaining that "I always blame the French" was sarcasm.

I think it's possible to think the whole thing is a mess and everybody is coming off as pretty shady here ... you don't have to take sides. Greg LeMond is nuts -- remember last year when he claimed that Lance Armstrong had threatened his life and his wife's life? Did anyone actually believe that? I didn't. Just the fact that he has somehow involved himself here as a witness, when he cannot possibly have anything first-hand to report, tells me that he is looking for attention. And he comes off as a liar.

But then, so does Landis, honestly. I really wanted to believe him but I have found him unconvincing for a while now. And posting what he posted about LeMond was so stupid that I am finding myself not really caring if he doped or not, because I've lost all respect ... but do I honestly think he was picking on a poor child abuse victim? Not really; I think he and his team figured out what other people have also figured out -- that is, that LeMond is mentally unstable and will say just about any ridiculous thing to get himself in the spotlight -- and tried to nip it in the bud, not because they really feared that LeMond had damaging information (how could he possibly?) but because they feared he'd make a big ruckus.

Which he did, and the Landis team stupidly made it worse. I am finding it really hard to care anymore about men's pro cycling.

[KnottedYet]

Anybody got some good links to women's pro cycling?

[Kalidurga]

Anybody got some good links to women's pro cycling?

I don't have any links to women's cycling, but I'll say this again: My new team to watch is Slipstream. Go dope-free argyle, go!

[Eden]

http://www.victorycycling.com/
http://www.procyclingtour.com/pct_cyclists_women.cfm
http://www.womencyclists.com/
http://www.usacycling.org/bios/index.php
http://www.teamcolavita.com/roster-main.htm
http://www.t-mobile-team.com/tmo_tea...t/pages/894414
http://www.webcorcycling.com/

[KnottedYet]

Thank you for the Slipstream link! Loooove that argyle! And you can get one of their classy argyle jerseys: http://www.slipstreamsports.com/fun.get.html

I heard about them on NPR, but didn't know their team name. Thank you! Now I'll want to follow them, too.

And Eden, thanks for the women's links! Now I've got to choose a couple women's teams to follow (besides Group Health, of course!)

And "DopersSuck" website has plenty of anti-doping goodies (even pink socks) for those of us who wish to voice our displeasure: http://doperssuck.typepad.com/doperssuck/

[Eden]

If I may be so bold as to suggest the Webcor - Builder team, specifically Mara Abbot. She goes to school in Walla Walla these days which makes her pretty close to a local gal, the last time I looked she was leading the NRC (national race calendar) points competition and since she is so close you may even see her racing some of the local races at times (she of course did the tour of Walla Walla earlier this year). Of course unfortunately this means after I upgrade I will be racing with the likes of her........

[Eden]

Thank you for the Slipstream link! Loooove that argyle! And you can get one of their classy argyle jerseys: http://www.slipstreamsports.com/fun.get.html

All of that argyle and what - NO SOCKS!

[Kalidurga]

Thank you for the Slipstream link! Loooove that argyle! I heard about them on NPR, but didn't know their team name. Thank you! Now I'll want to follow them, too.

Not only are they an ethical team, but they seem to be chock full o' talent, too. I watched Brad Huff smoke the field for 80-something laps at the CSC criterium race last year, and Danny Pate performed well at the Tour of California earlier this year. With so many of the established pros like Ulrich, Basso and Landis getting slammed by Operation Puerto and leaving us questioning their integrity, Slipstream's a good place to look for up and coming riders to root for, who likely won't end up with negative headlines.

And, yeah, Eden, they should have socks!


Sorry for the thread hi-jack...

[equus123]

I read this on cyclingnews.com today (Letters to Cyclingnews) and thought it was really cute & funny.

Landis case live coverage
I only wish that Cyclingnews would run minute by minute updates:

12:23 PM - Landis attorney attacks!

12:25 PM - LNDD Interpreter dropped - French speaking lab tech isolated.

12:35 PM - The 'yellow tie' still looking cool, has most of his legal team around him. Looking over his shoulder for LeMond to attack.

12:40 PM - Suh looks to be a lock for the 'red tie' for most aggressive lawyer.

1:10 PM - Uncle Ron attacks LeMond. Attack immediately responded to by LeMond domestiques.

1:23 PM - LeMond finally attacks Landis. This may be the move of the day. He opens up a gap and we see Landis suffering. Uncle Ron is also suffering and dropping off the back, unable to continue with the Landis group.

1:25 PM - Landis is clearly in trouble. Jacobs starts setting the pace with Landis on his wheel, trying to pull the yellow jersey back into the race.

[Fredwina]

Anybody got some good links to women's pro cycling?

there's also www.womenscycling.net

[missymaya]

That last point you made xeney is exactly how I feel. It's gotten so out of control, I just don't want to hear it anymore. I would like to hear about more positive men's and women's pro cycling. It doesn't even need to be pro cycling, just good cycling.