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    Specialized Amira vs. Cannondale Evo vs. Trek Emonda

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    Has anyone ridden these bikes? So far I've only been able to track down the Emonda in my size. I've test ridden a decent amount of other "105-level" carbon bikes and they are honestly starting to blend together to me, except for the Trek Silque, which was super twitchy up front and I hated it.

    I'm beginning to think that the Amira vs. the Evo vs. the Emonda are really basically all going to be the same in terms of ride quality, with maybe only minor differences in geometry. (For instance, I know that Specialized tends to be better at dealing with small lady hands than the other brands). They all seem to be interchangeably marketed as aggressive geometry WSD carbon bikes.

    Am I right to think they are mostly interchangeable? Or will these all feel super different? Does anyone have thoughts on them?

    I went into the bike search leaning towards a high end aluminum like the CAAD10, which I still hope to test ride, but now I'm starting to suspect I'll wind up with a carbon bike....or maybe the CAAD10 with ultegra. I'm kind of expecting to like the Amira, the most though, since I'm upgrading from a Specialized Dolce.

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    I have an Amira Expert SL4, which is in Ultegra. I LOVE IT, but hate the zebra look but most people like it. I like a flashy coloured bike so I'm no reference when it comes to neutral looking colours. hihi. Very stable. A pedal stroke and you're gone with very little efforts (ok... some efforts). I am not afraid at all on it vs the Kuota Kharma I had no control over. Note that I have American Classic wheels on it and they too end up being a good combo vs the basic wheels that came with it (that I had bike shop keep - which reduced my price some).

    I can't say for the other bikes you're looking at but the Amira should be a good option if you decide to go that way.
    Helene
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    Wow, your experience with the Silque was twitchy? The Emonda is more of an aggressive racing geometry, so...
    My Silque is super relaxed and stable compared to my Kuota and fits like a dream. It's an endurance bike, not racing geometry. But, that's why there are so choices, so we all are pleased. I know nothing about the EVO, but the Amira also has more aggressive geometry.
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    Crankin, I know!!! I was very surprised and don't really know what to think about it. Perhaps it really wasn't a size 50 like I believed. Or maybe it was just a matter of a large smooth parking lot loop on the Emonda (will take this further before I buy it, if I buy it) versus small awkward stressful parking lot with cars. I took the Silque briefly into the neighborhood streets though and it still seemed....loose in the front. I don't really know how to describe it.

    I've called about a million bike shops asking for these bikes and keep saying I'm not interested in the Ruby or the Synapse, and then I feel silly when they assume I'm racing. I'm not planning on racing (and definitely carry a good 15 pounds more than I would if I raced!) --- beyond Strava segments....but then that seems ridiculous. The Ruby (and I assume also the Synapse) feel just like a moderately smoother version of my Dolce though and that's not what I want. But maybe I don't "deserve" these aggressive bikes???

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    More aggressive bikes suite my riding style and build. I don't race...
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

    Battswebb

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    I loved my Kuota, but, it was twitchy. My Silque feels smooth. So, I was OK with the aggressive geometry, but it wasn't until I had the Madone on my bike tour in Portugal that I actually felt the difference.
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    What I'm starting to worry about is easily-adjustable things like stem heights and stock wheels affecting my view of the bikes, though! There are so many variables that come into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fallstoclimb View Post
    What I'm starting to worry about is easily-adjustable things like stem heights and stock wheels affecting my view of the bikes, though! There are so many variables that come into play.
    Don't buy a bike unless you fall in love with it.
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fallstoclimb View Post
    I've called about a million bike shops asking for these bikes and keep saying I'm not interested in the Ruby or the Synapse, and then I feel silly when they assume I'm racing... I'm not planning on racing (and definitely carry a good 15 pounds more than I would if I raced!) --- beyond Strava segments....but then that seems ridiculous. But maybe I don't "deserve" these aggressive bikes???
    Tell them you want a bike that is stiffer, has better power transfer, is less upright, and a bit faster. And maybe that handles better in turns, but is still comfortable and light.
    Last edited by Muirenn; 07-22-2015 at 07:31 AM.
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    If you've only done parking lot test rides on the Ruby, Synapse (carbon or Al), and other endurance/sportive bikes, I would take each of them out for a longer ride that involves hills. Assuming the bike shops take the time to tune the bikes to make sure they shift well and have no brake rub, you should be able to feel a difference when you accelerate and climb with these carbon bikes.

    Also, if you're only 5'2", then I would think a 50 cm Trek Silque (518 ETT) is probably too big for you. Did they have the Trek Silque in a 44 or 47 for you to test ride? Could the twitchiness have been because the bike is too big or they swapped out the stem for a really short one that messed up the handling?

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    Yes, I am 5' 1" and the 47 cm Silque fits me perfectly. I had a shop sell me a 50 cm bike years ago. The top tube was in my crotch, but I was just too dumb to say anything. I eventually made them switch it out for a smaller frame, but I learned my lesson. They tried the stem switching thing, too, which made it all worse.
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    Yeah, I think what away going on with the Silque is that it was too big, and they maybe even had swapped the stem out....not to my knowledge, but with the way it was handling I wouldn't be surprised. It was more "loose in the front" than twitchy, really.

    I can tell a difference with the carbon endurance bikes, they are smoother than my dolce and certainly shift better, but I'm pretty dead set on getting something aggressive and responsive to help me get those Strava segments.

    All I wanna do is ride fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fallstoclimb View Post
    Yeah, I think what away going on with the Silque is that it was too big, and they maybe even had swapped the stem out....not to my knowledge, but with the way it was handling I wouldn't be surprised. It was more "loose in the front" than twitchy, really.

    I can tell a difference with the carbon endurance bikes, they are smoother than my dolce and certainly shift better, but I'm pretty dead set on getting something aggressive and responsive to help me get those Strava segments.

    All I wanna do is ride fast.
    On the subject of fast, the numbers you gave me for the Dolce, Amira, and cannondale should be equivalent to the smallest sized men's cannondales in both the CAAD 10 and Supersix Evo (think it was a 48). They would be more aggressive and stiffer than the equivalent women's from Cannondale. And the reach was actually slightly shorter. You might at least get a test ride on one if you can't find the women's, and then decide if you want something a little more relaxed in the race category by ordering the women's version.

    But really, I thought the men's Giant had the best geometry on paper in being more aggressive then the women's bikes you are looking at, but not as aggressive as the men's cannon dales.

    Then again, the Amira would be a great upgrade from the Dolce... I suspect that would work since Specialized has worked for your before and the reviews from other places and TE seem to match what you are looking for.
    Last edited by Muirenn; 07-25-2015 at 03:31 PM.
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    Welp, I just test rode the CAAD10 and FELL IN LOVE....so all of this hemming and hawing were moot, haha. I'm sitting at home looking at my new bike right now

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    OMG congrats! Did you get the women's with 105? I want pictures!
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

    Battswebb

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