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  1. #1
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    I'm still in the process of deciding on my next road bike. I have some options, but the one LBS I have been talking with doesn't have anything definitive yet, as supply in my size is an issue. In the November issue of Bicycling magazine, there was an article about the Wilier Cento 1 as a complete bike with Campy Chorus 11. I was already leaning toward Wilier and that decided it. I was ready to pull the trigger. Nope. Not possible. Long story, short - Wilier is NOT offering that bike complete at all. The article was wrong. Doesn't look like they could even get the frameset in my size to build up for me. That's frustrating that a magazine would have a COVER STORY that is wrong. So, still looking, but thankfully, I have all winter. Considering a Pinarello Prince at this point. Any thoughts on this process? I'm a little frustrated.
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    The Prince is no longer manufactured, and the frameset isn't asymmetric throughout. Why the Prince in particular? Did you mean the Paris? The Paris is very stiff, 50K carbon layup cloth. Make sure you ride the thing before you buy. The Quattro is identical but only 30K cloth. (And STILL no flex!). You want a complete bike? The Pinarellos use a lot of MOst brand components in their built bikes. MOst is good; it's their House brand, but if I had the budget, building from scratch would be worthwhile.

    Glory Cycles is unusual in that they have the frameset available in the less expensive Quattro, (but also the Paris), then you could build to your specifications. The Paris is available in Chorus, and the Quattro only in Athena. But you could build whichever, and leave out the MOst components.

    But I do recommend trying their handlebars. Wonderful! And very popular with many riders.

    Also, Glory Cycles have the best prices on the 2012's I've seen. Do you know what size you'd need?

    Edit: just looked a little more carefully, they are out of the Quattro as a frameset in all sizes under 51.5, and that's the size I have (I'm 5'7''). Seems like you need a smaller one? They do have the complete Quattro as a 44 though, if you are willing to upgrade components. They have the Paris frameset available from size 44. And the complete bike.

    The sizes under their Easy Fit model are supposed to be more or less for women. Smaller, but also a higher headtube and more relaxed. Doesn't sound like what you want. The Paris/Quattro sizes jump from 44 to 51.5. I don't know if their size chart does that, or if that is just what Glory Cycles has in stock. I'm sure if you had a local dealer, they could order any frameset from the distributer. (Gita, out of Charlotte, NC).
    Last edited by Muirenn; 11-17-2012 at 09:31 AM.
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    The LBS fellow that did my sizing session was talking about the Prince being the option for my size needs. He took my bike measurements and we were looking for something close.

    Looks like small would be my size in the Wilier. Not sure on the Pinarello as it was just mentioned as an alternative.
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    Hmmm. The Prince is no longer available. How familiar is he with the sizes available through Pina? I was still editing that post when you answered, so it changed a bit.

    Edit: so you are looking at a TT of 52.5? Just looked at the chart on Competitive Cyclist, but I don't know what model. How tall are you?

    The Orca Dama from Orbea is supposed to be a wonderful racing bike.

    They have Gold, Silver, and Bronze level versions, all at different pricepoints. The difference refers to the frame set rather than the drivetrain, etc.
    Last edited by Muirenn; 11-17-2012 at 09:49 AM.
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    He probably said Paris and with all of the reading I've been doing, just had Prince in my brain. So, I'm sure you're right that it was the Paris, as we're looking at 2013 frames. The LBS is going to build up the frameset for me with Campy Chorus 11. That's kind of my "must have". Too many years riding Campagnolo and the bikes I've test ridden with Shimano or SRAM - I just don't like the shifting. It's really about personal preference because they are all good gruppos. I was excited to see Wilier was coming out with a complete bike with Campy Chorus 11 because price-wise it was significantly lower than building up from the frameset. But it's not going to be offered, so I'm back to building up from the frameset. Right now I'm looking at full Campy Chorus and Fulcrum wheels. Mavic is also an option, but we're close to the upper end of my self-imposed budget. He did say that we can't get exact geometry as my Klein because they just don't make frames that aggressive anymore - short wheelbase, short headtube, rake of the fork, very stiff in the bb, etc. Everything I've ridden has been much more relaxed, even those that are racy geometry and just material alone makes it a softer ride than aluminum. I think I'm heading in the right direction, but still have a lot to learn about carbon bikes and what's available. Unfortunately, I don't know of anyone within a few hours that carries Orbea. Right now the options are Wilier, Pinarello, Scott, Ridley, Bianchi, and Eddy Merckx. Surely I'll find something in my price range among those. Thanks for the info... I'll have to read up on the "cloth" you are talking about because that's new to me.
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    The main thing is, the higher the carbon number, the more stiff the frame set.

    The Pina is laterally stiff, vertically compliant as it's an asymmetric design. And I understand Ridley is also very stiff. Too stiff for some, but not for others.

    Even if you buy from this shop, I'd consider it worthwhile to take some road trips to test ride whatever bike you want in your size, or the closest to it you can find.

    Have you considered a Pinarello Dogma frame set? That's their raciest of their 'racing' bikes. Not cheap. Carbon layup is 60K.

    Which size were you looking at for the Paris?

    This thread talks about carbon layup with links.
    Last edited by Muirenn; 11-18-2012 at 04:37 AM.
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    Anyway, the Quattro is a beast, which is what I called it the first couple of weeks. Now I just consider it a tank. I've heard of people buying that complete bike, and stripping it down and rebuilding with campy record because they preferred that frameset. (Which would be cheaper than getting a Paris or Dogma and building, or buying as complete). The Paris is harsher but otherwise identical.

    This thread, post number 16, shows the guy who did it. I'm Aureliajulia, btw, it's a screenname I no longer use. I only started posting there after looking into Pinas, since they are quite rare on TE.

    Just be cautious about getting a frameset that is too stiff, you don't want to end up with a bike that is so harsh you can't ride it. The Dogma and Paris may be uncomfortable. I don't know, but it's possible. I don't know of any women on them, and the guys who ride them tend to be very strong, even by 'male' standards. I'm physically strong for a woman, to be honest. I'd definitely want several very good test rides before I decided to risk either of those bikes.
    Last edited by Muirenn; 11-18-2012 at 04:51 AM.
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

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    Thank you for the links. Very informative. When it comes to stiffness, aggressiveness, etc., I'm simply too old (and not racing anyone) for those pissing matches at 42 years of age.... but I'm still looking for a fast, but comfy ride. The LBS knows this and I trust that they know what they are doing. I'll be sure to post pictures of the final decision.
    The bicycle has done more for the emancipation of women than anything else in the world. ~ Susan B. Anthony

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    Quote Originally Posted by velo View Post
    Thank you for the links. Very informative. When it comes to stiffness, aggressiveness, etc., I'm simply too old (and not racing anyone) for those pissing matches at 42 years of age.... but I'm still looking for a fast, but comfy ride. The LBS knows this and I trust that they know what they are doing. I'll be sure to post pictures of the final decision.
    Have you considered titanium? Personally, I'd get a ti bike before a carbon any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velo View Post
    Thank you for the links. Very informative. When it comes to stiffness, aggressiveness, etc., I'm simply too old (and not racing anyone) for those pissing matches at 42 years of age.... but I'm still looking for a fast, but comfy ride. The LBS knows this and I trust that they know what they are doing. I'll be sure to post pictures of the final decision.
    Can't wait to see it!
    So long as the wheels are still turning, life is good.

    Battswebb

    Pinarello Quattro~CAADX~ Zurich Lemond
    Specialized Romin Saddles

    Surly Krampus!

 

 

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