Compact Double question

preeder · 08-08-2005, 06:09 PM

I'm about ready to make the big (HUGE) splurge and buy a Merlin Camena. I'm driving to Cleveland on Wednesday to do the test ride and make a final decision. Great bike, all Ultegra, extremely good price. My question--the shop owner has suggested a compact double instead of a triple on the front. His advice is that it will shift more smoothly and will be an asset with the small frame size and short chain. He's suggesting a 50/30. I use my granny gear quite a big on hills and at 53 am working to preserve the knees I was born with. Any opinions or experiences?

Wendy · 08-08-2005, 07:29 PM

I think most triples come with 30/42/52, so the small chainring wouldn't be any different.

SadieKate · 08-08-2005, 08:59 PM

You need to carefully look at the gearing on your current bike and do the math. There is a gear calculator on www.sheldonbrown.com you can use. You will need to know the number of teeth on your chainrings and your cassette. Changing cranksets can be a huge expense so you need to make a very informed decision.

So, the answer will lie in the combination of the chainring and cassette. You can't look at the chainrings alone.

You may find that the 30T is fine with a larger cassette.

DeniseGoldberg · 08-09-2005, 03:11 AM

I second SadieKate's recommendation - check the gear inches, and be very sure of your decision. I'd do the gear inch calculation on both bikes and compare the gears that you usually use on your existing bike with those available on the proposed configuration.

There is absolutely no reason that a bike with a triple shouldn't shift smoothly and quietly. I have a triple on all of my bikes - both road and touring - and they all shift perfectly and quietly. And a work friend bought a very high end custom road frame recently. He originally was going to get a double, but after thinking about it and realizing that he would like to take the bike the Europe at some point and ride in the (big and steep) mountains, he put a triple on the bike. (And before your LBS says something about a big "guy's" frame for that example, the guy I am talking about is small - maybe a little bit taller than me - I'm 5'5" - and has a small bike frame.)

I'd recommend not going with the double if you have any concerns about the range of gearing.

--- Denise

Pedal Wench · 08-09-2005, 06:50 AM

Are you sure about that 50/30? Sounds like an awfully big jump - could it be a 50/34? That's much more common.

Adventure Girl · 08-09-2005, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Audio-A

Are you sure about that 50/30? Sounds like an awfully big jump - could it be a 50/34? That's much more common.

And will your front derailleur be able to jump 20 teeth? That's a lot! I agree. 50/34 is much more common. What cassette would you run? 12/25?

sarahk · 08-11-2005, 08:32 AM

I just bought a new bike. I got a compact, it's a 36/50. I personally love it. I came from a triple and It might be in my head but, I've had it for 4 weeks tomorrow and I think it's made me stronger. I did have a problem with the chain dropping when I first got the bike, the bike shop didn't have any compact front derauiller (sp?) is stock and wouldn't be able to get them for a month, so he called the Giant dealer and he suggested putting a triple front derauiller on it and it shifts perfectly.

There seems to be a huge shift towards compact's this year. I think you can get them with a 36/50 or a 34/50. With my 36/50, my boyfriend says that I only lost the 2 (maybe it was 3) of the lowest gears of my triple. I don't know what you would be losing with a 34/50.

Good luck!
Sarah

ChainsOflove · 08-11-2005, 05:39 PM

I haven't ridden a compact, but I wish I had gotten one instead of the $600 I spent for a triple. The Geezer at the LBS was unfamiliar with the new ones, and pushed me for the triple. Oh well, next bike.

There is a good discussion of the compact campy at competitivecyclist.com

preeder · 08-18-2005, 05:22 PM

Thanks for the input on the compact double. Picked up the Merlin last week and have ridden about 150 miles. I really like the compact double. I don't fel like I've lost much with the 50/34. I've gone out and tackled the bigger hills and have done well. The combo of the ti frame and the rest of the components makes me invincible.

08-08-2005, 06:09 PM	#1
preeder Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6	Compact Double question I'm about ready to make the big (HUGE) splurge and buy a Merlin Camena. I'm driving to Cleveland on Wednesday to do the test ride and make a final decision. Great bike, all Ultegra, extremely good price. My question--the shop owner has suggested a compact double instead of a triple on the front. His advice is that it will shift more smoothly and will be an asset with the small frame size and short chain. He's suggesting a 50/30. I use my granny gear quite a big on hills and at 53 am working to preserve the knees I was born with. Any opinions or experiences?

08-08-2005, 08:59 PM	#3
SadieKate Inner Geekette Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bendemonium Posts: 8,935	You need to carefully look at the gearing on your current bike and do the math. There is a gear calculator on www.sheldonbrown.com you can use. You will need to know the number of teeth on your chainrings and your cassette. Changing cranksets can be a huge expense so you need to make a very informed decision. So, the answer will lie in the combination of the chainring and cassette. You can't look at the chainrings alone. You may find that the 30T is fine with a larger cassette. __________________ Frends know gud humors when dey is hear it. ~ Da Crockydiles of ZZE.

08-09-2005, 03:11 AM	#4
DeniseGoldberg Live your dreams... Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Andover, Massachusetts USA Posts: 1,646	I second SadieKate's recommendation - check the gear inches, and be very sure of your decision. I'd do the gear inch calculation on both bikes and compare the gears that you usually use on your existing bike with those available on the proposed configuration. There is absolutely no reason that a bike with a triple shouldn't shift smoothly and quietly. I have a triple on all of my bikes - both road and touring - and they all shift perfectly and quietly. And a work friend bought a very high end custom road frame recently. He originally was going to get a double, but after thinking about it and realizing that he would like to take the bike the Europe at some point and ride in the (big and steep) mountains, he put a triple on the bike. (And before your LBS says something about a big "guy's" frame for that example, the guy I am talking about is small - maybe a little bit taller than me - I'm 5'5" - and has a small bike frame.) I'd recommend not going with the double if you have any concerns about the range of gearing. --- Denise __________________ www.denisegoldberg.com Click here for links to journals and photo galleries from my travels on two wheels and two feet. Random thoughts and experiences in my blog at denisegoldberg.blogspot.com "To truly find yourself you should play hide and seek alone." (quote courtesy of an unknown fortune cookie writer) Last edited by DeniseGoldberg : 08-09-2005 at 05:44 AM.

08-11-2005, 05:39 PM	#8
ChainsOflove Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 246	Compact Double I haven't ridden a compact, but I wish I had gotten one instead of the $600 I spent for a triple. The Geezer at the LBS was unfamiliar with the new ones, and pushed me for the triple. Oh well, next bike. There is a good discussion of the compact campy at competitivecyclist.com __________________ Crediamo in te, bici!

08-18-2005, 05:22 PM	#9
preeder Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 6	Compact double Thanks for the input on the compact double. Picked up the Merlin last week and have ridden about 150 miles. I really like the compact double. I don't fel like I've lost much with the 50/34. I've gone out and tackled the bigger hills and have done well. The combo of the ti frame and the rest of the components makes me invincible.

08-08-2005, 07:29 PM	#2
Wendy Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York Posts: 32	I think most triples come with 30/42/52, so the small chainring wouldn't be any different.

08-09-2005, 06:50 AM	#5
Pedal Wench Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,057	Are you sure about that 50/30? Sounds like an awfully big jump - could it be a 50/34? That's much more common.

08-11-2005, 08:32 AM	#7
sarahk Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Central New York Posts: 15	I just bought a new bike. I got a compact, it's a 36/50. I personally love it. I came from a triple and It might be in my head but, I've had it for 4 weeks tomorrow and I think it's made me stronger. I did have a problem with the chain dropping when I first got the bike, the bike shop didn't have any compact front derauiller (sp?) is stock and wouldn't be able to get them for a month, so he called the Giant dealer and he suggested putting a triple front derauiller on it and it shifts perfectly. There seems to be a huge shift towards compact's this year. I think you can get them with a 36/50 or a 34/50. With my 36/50, my boyfriend says that I only lost the 2 (maybe it was 3) of the lowest gears of my triple. I don't know what you would be losing with a 34/50. Good luck! Sarah

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