Bike recommendations for a mature newbie female

SadieKate · 06-17-2005, 01:43 PM

A mid-50s co-worker showed up in my office yesterday and said that she really wants ride a century next year. She's always asking about my rides. She’s gone on an incredibly strict and medically supervised diet and lost over 50 lbs with (my estimate) about 30 to go. She used to ride bikes with her children years ago and is now getting back to pedaling the paths on her Bianchi Milano. I talked to her about setting intermediate goals, getting serious about riding and buying a more appropriate road bike. She’s committed and excited, so the pressure is now on me to help with her game plan.

So, what road bikes should we consider? We haven’t done a fitting, but she’s about 5’2” (at most) and probably short-legged. I’m guessing her back isn’t the most flexible but she remembers the days of having a light bike and a better aerodynamic position than the Milano, neither of which is good on the Milano. I haven’t bought a complete bike in years (only bought frames and done custom builds) but a complete bike will get her the most value for her money. The few WSD bikes that I’ve picked up seem incredibly heavy. What weight range are we talking? I’m sure we’ll want a short top tube to keep her back happy, a small bike to match her height, adjustable reach levers and very stable handling. What should we look at? She’s prepared to spend some money but we don’t need to break the bank either.

We’re looking at some organized half-metrics as goals through the summer so she’s OK on the Milano for now but we need to start looking.

Thanks, one and all! Any advice you have on coaching her is appreciated. I'm going to do my best to be encouraging but not push, but if she doesn't have the right equipment . . .

Veronica · 06-17-2005, 01:57 PM

A custom Riv.

V.

SadieKate · 06-17-2005, 02:04 PM

You're SOOOOO funny! I'll suggest that but I doubt she'll want to wait 2 years for it.

Surlygirl · 06-17-2005, 02:09 PM

SadieKate, how flexible is she? Being short you might want to look at WSD bikes with sloping top tubes or a mixte frame. Riv makes one. Drop handlebars give you more hand options, but a flat bar might give her a more upright position so as not to strain her back. Lots to consider.

Veronica · 06-17-2005, 02:15 PM

The back thing was what made me think of a Riv. I would expect the non customs to take much less time. But being 3/4 of an inch above average height for a female

I haven't paid too much attention to the range of sizes. Jo's Saluki looks mighty good though.

V.

SadieKate · 06-17-2005, 02:37 PM

I want a Riv - I'm drooling after the Glorius. However, for my friend . . . yes, a Riv would be wonderful but even a production frame is about the same cost as a Specialized Dolce.

Trek420 · 06-17-2005, 02:41 PM

Veronica "A custom Riv.

"

We laugh but I'm starting to see the point of Riv. There were a few on ALC4 (saw just 1 last year). About day 5 I caught up with on at lunch saw the Riv rider chatting with a group of gals who were all complaining "my ___ hurts, my ___ hurts, my ____...."

She just smiled and said "I feel fine", hopped on her bike, rode off....disgusting.

My vote is for steel, a nice Mondonico or Torelli or maybe Surly Long Haul Trucker.

Here are some purty steel bikes from the ride including mine. I should have styled the photos and taken the plastic off but the plastic bags on the seats are for dew, and the bags on the top tube are for the ride numbers, oh well. I think you can see that the set up on mine is a little more upright than most. Very comfy on the back.

jobob · 06-17-2005, 03:23 PM

Check out the Riv Rambouillet. It now comes in 50 and 52 cm frame sizes - these take 26" tires instead of 700c

http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_ra...letframes.html

There's nothing wrong with the Saluki, except for the wait time! Although I think they might have some of the smaller frames still in stock, but they have to be painted, and currently one person is doing essentially all of the Saluki paint jobs.

SadieKate · 06-17-2005, 03:32 PM

I'm just not sure she's ready for a $2,300 bike. Who knows, maybe she'll decide that it's so drop-dead gorgeous that it's the one, but . . .

bikerz · 06-17-2005, 04:01 PM

Sounds like you're co-worker is similar to me - I have alot of weight to lose, and I'm 40 pounds along the way now (thanks to 6 months of biking, mainly!) And I'm about 5'2"", so not very tall either.

When I went shopping for a bike, I was very nervous and self-conscious about the process - imaging skinny-minny, super-cyclist kids not really taking me seriously. I decided I would buy from the store where I was treated the best, and go with the recommendations they gave me, since I didn't know much about bikes at all. I was concerned (perhaps unreasonably) about the bike feeling stable under my weight.

Anyway, Mikes Bikes in Berkeley was great - the sales person named Meghan was very helpful, supportive, gave good advice, and did a good job fitting me. She recommended, and I bought, a Specialized Sequoia Elite - about $1100. It has a suspension seat post and carbon forks, which I was told would help absorb bumps that we heavier riders will feel more deeply. The bike might be a bit heavy - but not compared to me!

I figured if I really stuck with cycling (which looks like the case) I'd probably upgrade eventually anyway, and after losing weight and getting stronger, I might be more comfortable on a different kind of bike, or be ready to appreciate and take advantage of a lighter bike, and certainly be in a better position to know my riding style, different components, etc.

Just my (long-winded!) 2 cents worth. Your friend is fortunate to have your help!

Dirt Girl · 06-17-2005, 05:06 PM

SadieKate,
I'm a road bike newbie and don't know lots about them, but if her price range is around $1500, I have two suggestions. The Jamis Quest is a steel frame and a good value for the components. I think I tried the 47 and at 5'1" I didn't fit quite right, but everyone is different. I'm also a fan of the Bianchi Eros Donna (WSD) which I ended up buying for under $1300. It's steel and rode smoother than any of the aluminum bikes I tried including the Dolce and the Trek 1500 (I think). I love, love, love the Campy shifters! NOTIHING I've tried fit my small hands like these things. The more upright position of the Specialized Sequoia was enticing to me, but the ride did not compare to the Bianchi and I didn't like how the Sequoia climbed.

I've been very pleased with the Bianchi as a starter road bike.
http://www.bianchiusa.com/556.html

Hope this helps at least a little. Keep us posted.

tatormc · 06-18-2005, 08:13 AM

I would suggest a Giant as I've had 2 and love them! I'm also 5'2" and the XS fits perfect. I started out with an OCR3 which is a very basic beginner bike so I'm sure she'd want more than this. I just upgraded a month ago to the TCR Composite 2 and this bike is wonderful and very pretty!

CorsairMac · 06-20-2005, 10:03 AM

Well you know me - I'll throw in for Trek. When I first got back into riding I told the kid I hadn't ridden road bikes in years and I was going to use it for commuting blah blah blah. Bless his heart he listened to what I said - which wasn't what I meant! (my bad) He sold me a 26" comfort bike which was sweet and heavy as an ox and not at all what I wanted. I probably would've been happier with the Trek Hybrid which is heavier than a road bike but uses skinnier tires and is built more for speed than a comfort bike. It also sits up vs a road bike if she's concerned about flexability.
She might do better going to different bike shops and talking to them. I'm currently riding a vintage Trek 50 cm frame which fits my 5'2" height perfect but it isn't a WSD nor have I ever ridden one. Maybe offer to go with her if you have the time and she seems intimidated by the process.

SadieKate · 06-20-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CorsairMac

She might do better going to different bike shops and talking to them. I'm currently riding a vintage Trek 50 cm frame which fits my 5'2" height perfect but it isn't a WSD nor have I ever ridden one. Maybe offer to go with her if you have the time and she seems intimidated by the process.

This is the reason I'm collecting info. The endless variety of bikes available now can be overwhelming if you know nothing about them and, as many of you remarked, the LBS' lack of knowledge when it comes to fitting non-hard body older women. I'm trying to narrow down what people like and I really want input from this older group of women coming to riding from years away from fitness activity.

I will be going with her at some point but I want to get better 'larned myself on the complete bikes out there (don't think she'd like my approach of buying a frame, piece-mealing the parts, and then trashing my kitchen as a bike shop). I am very worried about the drop bar position for her but I don't think she'll be happy riding longer distances on anything less.

I'm going out with her for the first time later this week to talk about things like shifting, cadence and cornering. This will tell me a lot! I think she also tried to get in a 14-20 mile ride on Saturday so I'll get a ride report from that.

So, you girls who have been away for a long time, how did you handle the drop bar position? How far below the saddle are your bars and are you comfortable?

JanT · 06-20-2005, 10:46 AM

Well, being a "mature" woman who got into biking a few years ago, I'll throw in my two cents. I started off mountain biking about five years ago, and bought an entry level bike. After a year, I was disappointed with it, and upgraded to a better bike, but nothing classy--a couple steps above entry level (TREK 6700). It still meets my needs. When I decided to get a road bike, I figured a step above entry level would suit my needs. I'd already had the experience of riding the straight handlebar on the road with the mountain bikes, and know exactly what people mean about the importance of having different positions for the hands. So I bought a true road bike, a Specialized Allez Sport, triple. The various hand positions also allow me to get my back into different positions, which is important for me for longer rides. The seat is about the same height as the handlebars, with the nose tipped slightly down.

I haven't ridden much with groups, but when I rode the mountain bike, even with semi-slicks it was hard to keep up with anybody. With the road bike, I keep up with what appear to be the "average" riders (not racers!) without much difficulty. While your friend might find the hybrid type bike easier to ride, in the long run, she might be happier with a true road bike. TREK has the 1200c and 1500c comfort models, that are road bikes designed more for comfort and have a suspension seatpost and brakes on the tops as well as the hoods. Sometimes I wonder if I'd have liked one of those better.

Good luck to your newbie friend; she's lucky to have someone like you to show her the ropes!

06-17-2005, 01:43 PM	#1
SadieKate Inner Geekette Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bendemonium Posts: 8,935	Bike recommendations for a mature newbie female A mid-50s co-worker showed up in my office yesterday and said that she really wants ride a century next year. She's always asking about my rides. She’s gone on an incredibly strict and medically supervised diet and lost over 50 lbs with (my estimate) about 30 to go. She used to ride bikes with her children years ago and is now getting back to pedaling the paths on her Bianchi Milano. I talked to her about setting intermediate goals, getting serious about riding and buying a more appropriate road bike. She’s committed and excited, so the pressure is now on me to help with her game plan. So, what road bikes should we consider? We haven’t done a fitting, but she’s about 5’2” (at most) and probably short-legged. I’m guessing her back isn’t the most flexible but she remembers the days of having a light bike and a better aerodynamic position than the Milano, neither of which is good on the Milano. I haven’t bought a complete bike in years (only bought frames and done custom builds) but a complete bike will get her the most value for her money. The few WSD bikes that I’ve picked up seem incredibly heavy. What weight range are we talking? I’m sure we’ll want a short top tube to keep her back happy, a small bike to match her height, adjustable reach levers and very stable handling. What should we look at? She’s prepared to spend some money but we don’t need to break the bank either. We’re looking at some organized half-metrics as goals through the summer so she’s OK on the Milano for now but we need to start looking. Thanks, one and all! Any advice you have on coaching her is appreciated. I'm going to do my best to be encouraging but not push, but if she doesn't have the right equipment . . . __________________ Frends know gud humors when dey is hear it. ~ Da Crockydiles of ZZE. Last edited by SadieKate : 06-17-2005 at 01:50 PM.

06-17-2005, 01:57 PM	#2
Veronica "Ride lots!" Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 6,796	A custom Riv. V. __________________ You can talk about what you want from life as much as you like, but what you do, what you invest your time and energy into, is your real priority. TandemHearts.com

06-17-2005, 02:04 PM	#3
SadieKate Inner Geekette Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bendemonium Posts: 8,935	You're SOOOOO funny! I'll suggest that but I doubt she'll want to wait 2 years for it. __________________ Frends know gud humors when dey is hear it. ~ Da Crockydiles of ZZE.

06-17-2005, 02:15 PM	#5
Veronica "Ride lots!" Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Francisco Bay Area Posts: 6,796	The back thing was what made me think of a Riv. I would expect the non customs to take much less time. But being 3/4 of an inch above average height for a female I haven't paid too much attention to the range of sizes. Jo's Saluki looks mighty good though. V. __________________ You can talk about what you want from life as much as you like, but what you do, what you invest your time and energy into, is your real priority. TandemHearts.com

06-17-2005, 02:37 PM	#6
SadieKate Inner Geekette Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bendemonium Posts: 8,935	I want a Riv - I'm drooling after the Glorius. However, for my friend . . . yes, a Riv would be wonderful but even a production frame is about the same cost as a Specialized Dolce. __________________ Frends know gud humors when dey is hear it. ~ Da Crockydiles of ZZE.

06-17-2005, 02:09 PM	#4
Surlygirl Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 726	SadieKate, how flexible is she? Being short you might want to look at WSD bikes with sloping top tubes or a mixte frame. Riv makes one. Drop handlebars give you more hand options, but a flat bar might give her a more upright position so as not to strain her back. Lots to consider.

06-17-2005, 02:41 PM	#7
Trek420 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mrs. KnottedYet Posts: 7,015	Veronica "A custom Riv. " We laugh but I'm starting to see the point of Riv. There were a few on ALC4 (saw just 1 last year). About day 5 I caught up with on at lunch saw the Riv rider chatting with a group of gals who were all complaining "my ___ hurts, my ___ hurts, my ____...." She just smiled and said "I feel fine", hopped on her bike, rode off....disgusting. My vote is for steel, a nice Mondonico or Torelli or maybe Surly Long Haul Trucker. Here are some purty steel bikes from the ride including mine. I should have styled the photos and taken the plastic off but the plastic bags on the seats are for dew, and the bags on the top tube are for the ride numbers, oh well. I think you can see that the set up on mine is a little more upright than most. Very comfy on the back. __________________ Mondonico Futura Legero ~ the Italian Dream machine, GT Outpost Trail ~ custom powdercoated commute/errand mobile, Motobecane Mixte Freewheel ~ just for fun and giggles ~ my late namesake a Trek 420 customized and stolen by a bike thief and Knott's Giant lugged steel road bike all Chris Robinson Wheelworks built or re'built. Last edited by Trek420 : 03-15-2008 at 01:18 PM.

06-17-2005, 03:23 PM	#8
jobob re-joining the autobus Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,770	Check out the Riv Rambouillet. It now comes in 50 and 52 cm frame sizes - these take 26" tires instead of 700c http://www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_ra...letframes.html There's nothing wrong with the Saluki, except for the wait time! Although I think they might have some of the smaller frames still in stock, but they have to be painted, and currently one person is doing essentially all of the Saluki paint jobs. __________________ "what hump?" callmepokey.blogspot.com Last edited by jobob : 06-17-2005 at 03:26 PM.

06-17-2005, 03:32 PM	#9
SadieKate Inner Geekette Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Bendemonium Posts: 8,935	I'm just not sure she's ready for a $2,300 bike. Who knows, maybe she'll decide that it's so drop-dead gorgeous that it's the one, but . . . __________________ Frends know gud humors when dey is hear it. ~ Da Crockydiles of ZZE.

06-17-2005, 04:01 PM	#10
bikerz Seven! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 1,351	Sounds like you're co-worker is similar to me - I have alot of weight to lose, and I'm 40 pounds along the way now (thanks to 6 months of biking, mainly!) And I'm about 5'2"", so not very tall either. When I went shopping for a bike, I was very nervous and self-conscious about the process - imaging skinny-minny, super-cyclist kids not really taking me seriously. I decided I would buy from the store where I was treated the best, and go with the recommendations they gave me, since I didn't know much about bikes at all. I was concerned (perhaps unreasonably) about the bike feeling stable under my weight. Anyway, Mikes Bikes in Berkeley was great - the sales person named Meghan was very helpful, supportive, gave good advice, and did a good job fitting me. She recommended, and I bought, a Specialized Sequoia Elite - about $1100. It has a suspension seat post and carbon forks, which I was told would help absorb bumps that we heavier riders will feel more deeply. The bike might be a bit heavy - but not compared to me! I figured if I really stuck with cycling (which looks like the case) I'd probably upgrade eventually anyway, and after losing weight and getting stronger, I might be more comfortable on a different kind of bike, or be ready to appreciate and take advantage of a lighter bike, and certainly be in a better position to know my riding style, different components, etc. Just my (long-winded!) 2 cents worth. Your friend is fortunate to have your help! Last edited by bikerz : 06-17-2005 at 04:05 PM. Reason: typos, typos typos!

06-17-2005, 05:06 PM	#11
Dirt Girl I smell singletrack! Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 111	SadieKate, I'm a road bike newbie and don't know lots about them, but if her price range is around $1500, I have two suggestions. The Jamis Quest is a steel frame and a good value for the components. I think I tried the 47 and at 5'1" I didn't fit quite right, but everyone is different. I'm also a fan of the Bianchi Eros Donna (WSD) which I ended up buying for under $1300. It's steel and rode smoother than any of the aluminum bikes I tried including the Dolce and the Trek 1500 (I think). I love, love, love the Campy shifters! NOTIHING I've tried fit my small hands like these things. The more upright position of the Specialized Sequoia was enticing to me, but the ride did not compare to the Bianchi and I didn't like how the Sequoia climbed. I've been very pleased with the Bianchi as a starter road bike. http://www.bianchiusa.com/556.html Hope this helps at least a little. Keep us posted. __________________ Plays in dirt!

06-18-2005, 08:13 AM	#12
tatormc Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 159	I would suggest a Giant as I've had 2 and love them! I'm also 5'2" and the XS fits perfect. I started out with an OCR3 which is a very basic beginner bike so I'm sure she'd want more than this. I just upgraded a month ago to the TCR Composite 2 and this bike is wonderful and very pretty!

06-20-2005, 10:03 AM	#13
CorsairMac I love headwinds! Really? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 3,109	Well you know me - I'll throw in for Trek. When I first got back into riding I told the kid I hadn't ridden road bikes in years and I was going to use it for commuting blah blah blah. Bless his heart he listened to what I said - which wasn't what I meant! (my bad) He sold me a 26" comfort bike which was sweet and heavy as an ox and not at all what I wanted. I probably would've been happier with the Trek Hybrid which is heavier than a road bike but uses skinnier tires and is built more for speed than a comfort bike. It also sits up vs a road bike if she's concerned about flexability. She might do better going to different bike shops and talking to them. I'm currently riding a vintage Trek 50 cm frame which fits my 5'2" height perfect but it isn't a WSD nor have I ever ridden one. Maybe offer to go with her if you have the time and she seems intimidated by the process. __________________ Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, champagne in one hand, strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming: "Yeah Baby! What a Ride!"

06-20-2005, 10:46 AM	#15
JanT Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 231	Well, being a "mature" woman who got into biking a few years ago, I'll throw in my two cents. I started off mountain biking about five years ago, and bought an entry level bike. After a year, I was disappointed with it, and upgraded to a better bike, but nothing classy--a couple steps above entry level (TREK 6700). It still meets my needs. When I decided to get a road bike, I figured a step above entry level would suit my needs. I'd already had the experience of riding the straight handlebar on the road with the mountain bikes, and know exactly what people mean about the importance of having different positions for the hands. So I bought a true road bike, a Specialized Allez Sport, triple. The various hand positions also allow me to get my back into different positions, which is important for me for longer rides. The seat is about the same height as the handlebars, with the nose tipped slightly down. I haven't ridden much with groups, but when I rode the mountain bike, even with semi-slicks it was hard to keep up with anybody. With the road bike, I keep up with what appear to be the "average" riders (not racers!) without much difficulty. While your friend might find the hybrid type bike easier to ride, in the long run, she might be happier with a true road bike. TREK has the 1200c and 1500c comfort models, that are road bikes designed more for comfort and have a suspension seatpost and brakes on the tops as well as the hoods. Sometimes I wonder if I'd have liked one of those better. Good luck to your newbie friend; she's lucky to have someone like you to show her the ropes!

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