Liability/rides out of bike shop a no no/reversed?

[Honeypie]

So what if you rode with a group out of a bike shop, led by the owner. Then the owner banished everyone from riding out of the bike shop. Saying liability. Only to find out 4 months later the owner is posting rides only specifying the rides leave out of the parking lot across the street? I don't get it.

[Biciclista]

he probably spoke to his insurance company. sounds stupid to me too though.

[Irulan]

It is probably something in his insurance policy. It is possible that if they leave from elsewhere that they might not be considered shop rides. Who knows... the lawyers are very particular, and people try what they can to work with what their policy states.

[maillotpois]

That's exactly it - insurance. I just had the same discussion with the woman at the motorcycle shop. They can't hold "shop rides" anymore.

[Biciclista]

and the reason why policies like these change is because one (or more) person sues and wins big time. so all the insurance actuaries notice the blip and change what they will cover.

[ny biker]

My bike shop leads rides every Saturday. They make you sign a waiver before the start.

[Dazeepetals]

The LBS my boyfriend manages has anyone who rides out of the store on a group ride sign a liability to cover the store.

[Aggie_Ama]

There is a local gas station that won't allow cyclist in with the cycling shoes because they were told the cleats are slick and therefore cyclists may slip. The store is so scared of lawsuits they have a sign that says you cannot enter with cycling shoes.

[Honeypie]

A year earlier a group tried to formalize waivers for him, he wouldn't hear of it.

The bike shop owner came out one day and cussed everyone out and banished us. Now he only invites some people and not others. After this several people tried to get him to do the waiver thing again and he said no. So now people meet by invitation only and across the street. They still use his bathroom, his water, air, etc. Odd. And he says there are no rides out of the shop. But he still advertises rides.

He is one of those men who hugs and kisses the women and sometimes his hand will slip. He says the women he rides with now understand his touching is meant in a harmless way.

People have splintered into several groups now. Most of the groups are doing quite well. I guess it still stings though.

[smilingcat]

ughh..... there are so many other group rides. Why bother with the lecherous man? I'll ride with other like minded people. If his hand slipped on me, you can bet he would have coon eyes.

smilingcat

[maillotpois]

Yeah - what cat said - seriously creepy dude.

[ilima]

He's a fool. Because all that advertising and enabling could make him liable. So, he's risking his neck and alienating people at the same time. Dumb.

[Mr. Bloom]

They make you sign a waiver before the start.

Liability waivers don't protect someone from being sued. They become part of the defense in a lawsuit, but the time and cost of litigation can still be very material, even if you win.

Frankly, I feel sorry for the LBS that has to walk that tight rope.

[Selkie]

So what if you rode with a group out of a bike shop, led by the owner. Then the owner banished everyone from riding out of the bike shop. Saying liability. Only to find out 4 months later the owner is posting rides only specifying the rides leave out of the parking lot across the street? I don't get it.

I wouldn't spend my money at his store any longer and I would find another group with whom to ride. Sounds like this person has some issues that make him worth avoiding.

[bike4ever]

For our shop rides, my spin classes, and any outdoor class we sponsor (kayak, canoe, hike, ski, etc), we have a standard waiver that has been approved by our attorney. My bike ones are worded a little different to cover the use of a helmet. When participants ask me why they have to sign, I say it covers us from them being stupid. This usually gets a few chuckles.