Attorneys - tell me about your job...?

[Sheesh]

I've considered going to law school off and on now for several years, but I usually talk myself out of it. I'm pretty sure that I would enjoy law school (if that's actually possible), but I'm not convinced that I would actually enjoy practicing law. It seems like it might be a boring day-to-day job... Are there any attorneys on here? Can you tell me about your typical job and what you like and dislike about being an attorney? Thanks for your insight!

[mimitabby]

I'm no attorney, but if you are worried about boredom, law school will not be your cup of tea. The first year of law school is filled with boring tedious reading
designed to weed out people without enough pluck. My nephew, who got a 4.0 all the way through college, was devastated by that first year.. he did manage to get his degree, but he was ready to give up several times that first year.

[Bluetree]

I'm no attorney either, but my best friend is a real estate/title lawyer. She enjoys it, but her temperament makes her well suited for it. She spends most of her 10-12 hour days reading contracts, case studies, negotiating settlements, etc. Very few of her cases go to trial. I would find a job like that as boring as heck, but she gets a real thrill out of reading real estate law (even on her free time!)

[Ninabike]

Hi Sheesh,

An attorney here. I've been an attorney for 27 years, having been a Registered Nurse for 10 yrs (still licensed as a nurse).

Law is like many other professions wherein people tend to specialize in specific areas. Many attorneys don't even practice law, but, instead use their law degrees in related fields. Law itself is so varied. What you see on TV is far from the reality. There is everything from civil law (plaintiff or defense), family law, criminal (prosecutor or defense), tax, probate, contracts, business, intellectual property, entertainment, etc. Many attorneys do not like courtroom work, and instead, are very good at research (preparing briefs, legal opinions, legislative analysis, etc.) There are both State and Federal jurisdictions and people tend to specialize in one or the other.

In my case, I specialize in insurance defense and own my own firm with 4 attorneys. These days I spend more of my time "running a business" and less time practicing law. I oversee and assign the files as they come into the office, and cover calendar appearances when we have calendar conflicts. We also handle Administrative Hearings and we end up doing quite a lot of pro bono work in that area.

It is true that law can be boring or tedious at times - dealing with deadlines and rules of court, etc. I think that is true in almost any profession.

Many people have an idea of what they want to de before they go to law school. By the time they are finished, they find they like another area of law. Most law schools have externship programs of some sort, or clerkships with judges wherein the students get exposed to various areas. Those programs often lead to job opportunities.

You might want to look around and see if there is a law firm willing to hire you and do some "on the job" training in a clerical capacity. That way you will get an idea of the "atmosphere' of a law office. Again, however, every law office is different depending on the type of practice. Keep an open mind. Even if you go to law school and don't actually practice law, the education will always serve you well.

Please feel free to PM me if you want.

Good Luck!!
Nina

[indysteel]

Sheesh, I've been an attorney for going on 11 years now. I currently work as a staff attorney for a federal bankruptcy judge. I've had that job for 6 years. The reasons I love it? I work for a great boss in fairly stressfree environment. It plays to my strengths--writing, research and legal reasoning. My job allows me to live a balanced life in that I don't work long hours and rarely bring work, either literally or figuratively, I am respected and appreciated for what I do, feel pretty confident in my abilities, and have a fair amount of control over my work.

Prior to my current job, I was in private practice at what was at the time about a 60-person law firm. I was miserable there for the most part. My most immediate supervising attorney was a great guy to work for, but my actual boss, while a nice man, was controlling and anal retentive to the nth degree. Between him, other partners barking at me, demanding clients, billable hours, and firm politics, I wanted to jump from a tall building most days. I was seriously depressed, and they were the worst years of my life. While there, I did mostly creditors' rights and corporate bankruptcy work.

Litigation in particular isn't the exciting drama that tv would have you believe. A lot it, in fact, is rather tedious and laborious. Private practice, especially at big firms, is lucrative, but it comes at a tremendous price. My friends who are still at the firm routinely work 60-70 hours a week. That's not to say that you would be unhappy in that kind of environment. You just have to have the right personality for it. It wasn't for me, at least at that time or at that firm.

It's hard to generalize about the law and careers in the law. There is no one job or area of the law that will appeal to everyone. The trick is finding what works for you. When I was in law school, the emphasis was on getting a job at a law firm, the bigger the better. There are, however, so many other options out there. Being happy as a lawyer often depends on the choices you're ready and willing to make. So many factors--where you live, the sector and area of law in which you practice, the importance you put on income, the individuals you work for and with, etc., all influence job satisfaction. It's a question of finding what appeals to you personally and putting yourself in the best position to find the "right" job. For that reason, I encourage people to limit their debt--both during and after law school--so that they aren't tied to a particular job or job sector by the proverbial "golden handcuffs."

As your question suggests, law school bears little relation to practicing law, and I applaud you for asking yourself whether you would actually like to be an attorney because many people just focus on the law school part of the equation. If you do decide to go to law school, please let us know. I'm sure you'll get lots of advice about that too!

Kate

[xeney]

I am probably out of the norm because my practice actually does have a lot in common with law school. I do criminal appellate work, which means lots of research and writing with the occasional oral argument. I hated law school a lot, but I didn't find the reading to be tedious or boring. I found that part fairly fascinating -- it was my fellow students who made me miserable.

Since there are so many different types of law out there I think it is pretty hard to guess whether you will enjoy the profession, but in general I would say that these are the questions to ask yourself:

1. Are you a good writer? This is more important in my line than in many others, but law school and passing the bar require a lot of writing, and most types of law require writing, and if writing is a major struggle for you, you are probably going to be unhappy.

2. Are you bad at confrontation? I mean this both ways -- can you engage in confrontation calmly and rationally, making your point without flying off the handle? Shrinking violets don't do well in the law. If you have a panic attack at the thought of calling your bank to dispute a charge, don't bother with law school. By the same token, if you are always getting into arguments with store clerks and waitresses and bank tellers over minor things, do the profession a favor and stay out. (Man, I hate those people.)

3. Can you find joy in the process of working through a problem, even if you aren't ultimately successful? I have been doing this for almost fourteen years and a I know a lot of lawyers, and I think this is the secret to happiness. You like wrestling with the problem, you like strategizing, you like most of the daily bits of whatever field you go into: interacting with clients, preparing for trial, negotiating, researching odd areas of the law. Most areas of law don't have a lot of "winning" or "losing" (mine does, but it's all losing, all the time!) and a lot of young lawyers are sort of counting on that kind of gratification. It's mostly not going to be there.

As for the daily crap that everyone hates, oh yes, it's there. Billable hours are the bane of every lawyers life. I do so much admin work that sometimes I want to chuck it all and do something else. But you know what? Every job has drudgery. Take that part as a given.

[bcipam]

I truly believe you have to have a calling to be an attorney. Not only is law school tough but the first 2 - 3 years of lawyering are a nightmare. Figure having no life and working 60 - 80 hours minimum a week. Many attorneys (me included) opt to do something else. I actually work for an insurance company not as an attorney but as an adjuster handling intellectual property claims. I make almost as much money but work way less hours.

There is all types of law - everything from corporate, real estate, tort, family law to environental, public health etc. Do you have a passion for something that law would help you do? If not, find something else to do.

BYW, I've never thought lawyering was boring. Cases can be and are very interesting but work can be very tedious!

[indysteel]

I agree with Xeney's comments. To be a good lawyer, you have to be able to communciate, sometimes forcefully, and think well on your feet. You can't be easily intimidated, but you also have to intuitively know when to shut the heck up or eat humble pie. You have to be patient and pay attention to the details but wise enough to keep the big picture in mind. Unfortunatley, there are a lot of stupid attorneys out there, so it helps to be smart, meaning that you think in a logical, linear fashion and that you are committed to knowing the area of law in which you practice. I think it helps if love to learn, because the learning never stops (or at least it shouldn't).

But smart isn't everything. You also have to have people skills. The most successful lawyers I know have figured out how to be strong adversaries for their clients without making enemies in the process. Generally speaking, that means that you play fair, are firm but courteous, that you don't fight just to fight, and that you practice with integrity.

I think to be a happy lawyer, you have to strike the right balance between work and the other things in your life. Find a job that plays to your strengths and is consistent with what you want out of your life and career, while accepting that no one job is perfect. Try to take the work, but not yourself, too seriously.

[bcipam]

I agree with Xeney's comments. To be a good lawyer, you have to be able to communciate, sometimes forcefully, and think well on your feet. You can't be easily intimidated, but you also have to intuitively know when to shut the heck up or eat humble pie. You have to be patient and pay attention to the details but wise enough to keep the big picture in mind. Unfortunatley, there are a lot of stupid attorneys out there

Nothing funnier than being in Court and having the Judge nail a young, inexperience or stupid attorney. I agree must be able to think quickly. Must have good debate skills. People skills are necessary for many attorney jobs but not all - the reason some attorneys go into research or appellate work as oppose to becoming a trial lawyer. I became an attorney because I was in fairly good with debate in High School and College. I have excellent bullsh*t skills - most useful in some cases, especially good with the job I have now.

I have met many an attorney who cannot write - it's sad but true. Some Complaints are so beautifully drafted as to be a work of art some complaint make no sense whatsoever. I've read pro per pieces that were easier to understand.

Again for anyone considering law as a professional also consider the job market in your state. In California the market is flooded. We turn out tons of new attorneys each year and many cannot find jobs or at least ones that pay anything (keep in mind the 80 work week).

A good attorney can make tons of money but they work hard, are learned and knowledgable, personable and in demand. In my field, entertainment, a young associate can make over $200K a year but they are the cream of the crop. Many attorneys make less than $100K a year even at a senior level.

[Sheesh]

I think you've all managed to confirm most of what I had already suspected. I am not afraid of confrontation, and enjoy learning and logic, which is why I've always thought that I would enjoy law school. But, the long hours with the emphasis on "billable hours" and tedious paperwork and research part doesn't excite me.

[xeney]

Yeah, I wish someone had told me about the long hours. I honestly had no idea. My dad was an investigator with a public defenders office, and those attorneys were always taking coffee breaks! They had no billable hours. (Budget cuts have made their lives a lot rougher than they were back then, too, so I am not in any way saying that PDs have it easy.) I like my job now, some of the time, but if I had known then what I know now, I'd have done something else with my life.

[Southside Sally]

I graduated law school in 1995, after having become an RN in 1982. I went into law for more autonomy, and started my own practice after graduation.

I love the law. I love the analysis and the logic involved. I love the fact that it is never static, and there is generally no "black and white" answer. This last thing most find infinitely frustrating!

That being said, I was a litigator for 10 years. Being someone's paid pitbull got old. I grew tired of the constant conflict and the stress was incredible. I was good at it, but didn't enjoy it after awhile. I have recently returned to nursing full time, although I keep my law license active and do some work for my husband's business. Once my children are grown and out of the house, I may return to the practice of law. Who knows?

Best of luck to you!

Southside Sally

[Meaux]

I have worked in a mid-sized real estate law firm for over 3 years now, and I can honestly say that it's pretty fun! I'm a legal assistant, but I do a lot of work for the lawyers in preparation. I don't think I want to be an attorney, but I usually enjoy my work. The attorneys work a lot of CRAZY hours. One of the partners is up at the firm EVERY day, no days off. Both of the partners we have are women, so that's pretty fun. I spoke with one of the partners and she told me that there is still a lot of sexism and that she has to sometimes put up with a lot from judges and other (male) attorneys. Sad but true. Good luck in your law school adventures!!!!

[LBTC]

Once again I am amazed and humbled at the depth of talent and skill on this board! You ladies are fantastic!

And here I am, at 39, trying to take my first ever correspondence course, having never been to university, and I'm struggling with the most introductory Business Law course! I can't imagine making it through law school!!

Hugs and butterflies,
~T~

[farrellcollie]

I have been practicing law for 21 years and I teach research and writing full time at a law school. I teach mostly in the night program so most of my students are not fresh out of college - but I have also taught in the regular program-I have seen many people drop out because law school is not what they thought it would be. IF possible - can you go sit in on some first year classes (at our school we often have visitors). I clerked for a federal judge (great job), worked in private civil firm (horrible - billable hours, stupid cases, I thought civil discovery/litigation was the most boring thing on the planet, annoying clients, etc) was an appellate public defender (great job for me - reading and writing). If you have specific questions - feel free to pm me.