Take the Lane!!!

[mimitabby]

good point, Lisa, we've stuck our tongues out like we were panting as we crossed the road and this amuses car drivers enormously. They can't be mad if they are smiling.

[li10up]

good point, Lisa, we've stuck our tongues out like we were panting as we crossed the road and this amuses car drivers enormously. They can't be mad if they are smiling.

This is a good one...I'm going to try it.

I know that the majority of the time when I give a thank you wave to a motorist that waited they wave back and seem to appreciate it. Everyone likes to be thanked for their courtesy.

Lisa, I agree...we always need to be cautious. It just frustrates me to see someone just slowly making their way through the light. If you (not you personally Lisa )see all the cars waiting on you then move it along...don't make them wait so long that they miss the light. But you're right - safety first ALWAYS.

[anorange]

[QUOTE=KnottedYet;179223]I'm a Cautious Commuter, and had the bejeebers scared out of me on a group ride when the group leader roared thru stop signs and stop lights and right-passed cars waiting their turns or for lights to change, and expected us to follow suit.


I too am a very cautious commuter. I am also new to group riding and am scared that other riders might behave this way. Can't believe a ride leader would behave this way. I hope it's not the norm.

[anorange]

Well obviously I am new to posting messages and I don't know how to do the quote thing. If anyone wants to point me in the right direction that would be appreciated.

[Eden]

Well obviously I am new to posting messages and I don't know how to do the quote thing. If anyone wants to point me in the right direction that would be appreciated.

If you want to delete part of the quoted text just make sure you leave the [*QUOTE] [*/QUOTE] tags intact. (there are no asterics, but if I made them just the way they look, they would be invisible....)

[SouthernBelle]

I do make a point to nod or wave thanks to motorists, even when all they are doing is obeying the law. I think of it as my own PR for cycling.

On the other hand, when they do something egregiously wrong, I have been known to bellow like a bull. & they can usually hear me with the windows rolled up and the music on.

[lizbids]

I'm so glad you brought this up...as a commuter in a busy city, it scares me just how close to danger I am every day. I try very hard to be conscientious, and I do try to take the lane, because IMHO, I feel if cyclists are expected to ride on top of parked cars, that gives drivers the right and expectation to run you off the road...not to mention getting whacked by a car door ain't all that fun!

The one thing I do, which maybe is bad, is that I do go in front of a car when the light's red. I do this but immediately pedal and pull over to the right a bit for them to pass me. And if I am next to a car, I wait for him to get in front of me to prevent being clipped on a turn, and I always turn my head to glance at the driver, hoping to make eye contact. Personally, I think it should be mandatory for drivers AND cyclists to take saftey courses every two years or so...can't we all use a refresher course?

[HappyAnika]

I just wanted to add . . . the new trend with drivers here seems to be that they think they can just jump into traffic at any time when making a turn, regardless of the fact that they have a red light and the cross traffic has a green. This is a huge problem when I'm in my car, an even bigger problem when I'm on my bike. So if I'm coming through an intersection I always keep my eye on the person who pulled up a the cross street and is trying to make a right turn into my lane. 60% of the time they don't see you, 20% of the time they don't realize how fast you are going, and 20% of the time they just don't care. I keep my hands on my brakes and anticipate that they will turn out in front of me so I can stop if I need to. Be vigilant and be safe!

[KnottedYet]

I always take the lane in intersections and wait my turn in the line of cars just as if I were a car (unless I'm turning right). I've found that the drivers around here treat me better if I do that. Maybe they figure if I'm behaving like a car, they should treat me like a car and give me the same room and courtesy they'd give a car?

Also, many of the bike lanes in my end of Seattle "disappear" before intersections to force bikes to take their appropriate lane before the intersection. I think this trains the drivers to watch for bikes coming into the lane at intersections to some extent.

[Kitsune06]

This is very difficult to do near/around rush hour when people are angry, frustrated, and impatient, bumper to bumper up to intersections. On my morning ride I take my appropriate lane. In the evening, with lousy traffic, I just cross at crosswalks.

[Crankin]

I always take the lane on larger roads. My husband, on the other hand, commutes on a 2 lane busy road (Rt 27 to you NE ladies) and is the one you see passing all of the cars on the right when they are stopped at a light. He is safe, but I think this is an undue risk, esp. at rush hour. He does not run red lights or stop signs; how horrible for a ride leader to do this.
Yesterday we were on a ride on our after work loop. it was rush hour and we were coming into the small rotary (traffic circle) in Carlisle. Now this is a rural town, but as one guy was approaching from a street ahead on our right, to make a right on the main road, we came into the rotary, to travel around, get on the main road, and make an immediate left. On coming cars have a stop sign where we make the left, so once you get into the rotary, it's usually safe. Well, this guy was stopped, but just sort of went as Steve was going by him. Steve yelled SO loud, that all of the people in the other cars certainly heard. I think the guy did, too, because he sped away as we caught up to him. Plus, there was another cyclist ahead of us, who scooted onto the other side of the rotary, to get onto the street where we make a left. So, she was going the WRONG way in a very dangerous spot. I guess she thought the cars stopped at the sign would wait, but it made me want to scream.

[Kitsune06]

I find whipping out a saber and yelling "YAAARRRRRR!!! I'm GA'IN TA BARRRD YAR LANE!!!! AVAST, YE SCURVY RATS!!!!"

Well...
less the saber.
...and the pirate speak.
...actually, I just signal...
but doesn't that just grab more attention and sound like WAY more fun??!

[SouthernBelle]

I find whipping out a saber and yelling "YAAARRRRRR!!! I'm GA'IN TA BARRRD YAR LANE!!!! AVAST, YE SCURVY RATS!!!!"

Well...
less the saber.
...and the pirate speak.
...actually, I just signal...
but doesn't that just grab more attention and sound like WAY more fun??!

Yep. But bull bellowing is fun too.

[Geonz]

I will often wait in the queue at a stop light, but it's a judgement call. There will be people whose views I respect who would consider flamethrowing... but around here, generally there are 2-3 cars in the queue... often more on the other side, some of whom are going to be taking lefts. Oh, and usually one of the ones in my queue are making lefts - there's no dedicated left hand turn.

So, I scoot to teh front where the cars on both sides can see me, and right-turners can get by behind me. If the cars in the queue are going straight, they're all by me by the time I'm across; if they're going left, I'm across and have my lane position and I'm past the opposing-direction queue before soembody would even want to squeezy by me, so they can pass me safely instead.

This is totally intersection-specific. When in doubt - or at a new intersection - I'm a vehicle. I'm in the queue. Even then, though, there's the issue of driver who expects me to be in the shoulder (or to pull to the front), so they pull along beside me. Usually I still stick to that spot, because one of my Primary Principles is "don't make 'em pass me twice."

(I've most recently bellowed at wild turkeys. The drivers have been mostly okay.)

[li10up]

These aren't hard and fast "rules," just general guidelines that improve safety and promote a healthy "share the road" attitude with motorists. By all means move ahead of vehicles if you are just going to have to sit through 2 or 3 lights. I was just pointing out that we should try to make an effort not to slow the motor traffic down unnecessarily. So I agree with Geonz...use your judgment.

Any new riders finding out that these suggestions have helped them navigate the traffic better?

Once I figured out this stuff it was much easier for me and I felt more confident. I still try to stick to the roads less traveled though. Makes for a more enjoyable ride...and the scenery is better too.