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  1. #1
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    Li10up,

    Thank you for posting those tips. They are EXACTLY, to the word, all the things I do every day when riding. I feel very safe when I follow all the suggestions you mention above.
    The biggy of all is: NEVER be on the right edge of the lane at an intersection if you are planning to go straight or to go left. Look all around you and signal to the cars around you what your intentions are- and note if they acknowledge you. If they don't- assume they don't see you.
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    Great Advice,couldn't have said it better!! Another thing I would suggest is to be cautious when crossing the intersection, dont just race across. Sometimes, drivers see you and they just dont care and will cut you off. Just this morning I was going straight and the driver on the other side of the intersection was turning left. He saw me and I had signaled to go straight. When the light went green, he raced through the intersection, but I just held off. Patience is a life saver

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    What everyone else said Left turns get so much focus but right turns may be more dangerous.

    We may never know what happened but my cousin was killed on a right hand turn. She was a very experienced rider.

    I try to never be "the first one out of the gate" when the light turns green too.
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    If you're like me and have previously stuck to less traveled roads with bike lanes or trails, many cycling organizations offer classes to introduce you to the type of riding these women describe. It's a great way to ride with more experienced riders who will show you the ropes if you're too scared to try these tactics on your own. I know here in soggy mocha/latte/frappiwhatsit land we have Cascade. Also, I've noticed that some LBS's, universities(often open to non-students), community education programs offer them too. You might want to check with other riders in your area and your friendly LBS to see if you have something similar where you live.

    If nothing like this exists in your area, maybe you could find a sister TE'er who would be willing to show you. How 'bout it ladies? You're so eager to offer us noobs advice, but are you willing to dance.

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    I'm a Cautious Commuter, and had the bejeebers scared out of me on a group ride when the group leader roared thru stop signs and stop lights and right-passed cars waiting their turns or for lights to change, and expected us to follow suit. (I finally had enough, and stopped at a 4-way, let the cars take their turns, then took my turn; rather than run the stop sign. That made me a little bit further behind everyone than I already was, and the ride leader dropped back and asked me if I was frightened of riding on the road with cars.... )

    I haven't taken Cascade's commuter class, but I'd like to. http://www.cbcef.org/commuting_resources.html

    John Forester's book "Effective Cycling" is good, and I think several biking safety class curricula are based on it.
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    I have read "The Art of Urban Cycling", which I found very enlightening. It teaches defensive cycling under diverse conditions. You ASSUME that cars are going to do the wrong thing and/or not see you, it tells you how to develop the habit of looking/planning/anticipating ahead to avoid certain bad situations before they can even develop. Feel free to skip the sometimes boring history of how the US highway system came to be if you want, though!
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    [QUOTE=KnottedYet;179223]I'm a Cautious Commuter, and had the bejeebers scared out of me on a group ride when the group leader roared thru stop signs and stop lights and right-passed cars waiting their turns or for lights to change, and expected us to follow suit.


    I too am a very cautious commuter. I am also new to group riding and am scared that other riders might behave this way. Can't believe a ride leader would behave this way. I hope it's not the norm.

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    Well obviously I am new to posting messages and I don't know how to do the quote thing. If anyone wants to point me in the right direction that would be appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lisa S.H. View Post
    The biggy of all is: NEVER be on the right edge of the lane at an intersection if you are planning to go straight or to go left. Look all around you and signal to the cars around you what your intentions are- and note if they acknowledge you. If they don't- assume they don't see you.
    And even if they DO see you, and even if you ARE following the law, and even if you ARE being safe, don't assume other people will do the same.

    Last week I was stopped at a light and took the whole right lane. My side of the road was narrow and the bike lane actually started on the side of the intersection.
    A van pulled up behind me and started laying on the horn. LOUD. I turned around and the guy was yelling at me in Spanish, gesturing me to get on the sidewalk. I waved and pointed to the bike lane across the street.
    The light turned green so I clipped in. The guy hit the gas, drove into the left lane and then deliberately cut in front of me to make a right turn. He missed my front wheel by inches. I have no doubt he was deliberately trying to make me crash. Luckily, I was wary of him so I was able to stop in time.
    I gave his license plate no. to the police, but they said there wasn't much they could do since the van had foreign plates. But they promised to "look into it". I'm not holding my breath.

    Some people are just nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluetree View Post
    ....A van pulled up behind me and started laying on the horn. LOUD. I turned around and the guy was yelling at me in Spanish, gesturing me to get on the sidewalk. I waved and pointed to the bike lane across the street.
    You have to smile while you do that, big goofy silly grin "Hi!!! lookit that bike lane it's right there" where's the waving hands smile face?

    little tiny voice, shhhhh, did someone really tick you off? you say you reported it and know nothing will be done?

    Well, maybe their vehicle really needs a smog check

    www.baaqmd.gov/exhaust/exhaust.html

    I just assume that if they can do something wrong they will, change lanes, need to turn into Wendys RIGHT NOW and in front of me....and always that they do not see me.

    Hope that works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trek420 View Post

    Well, maybe their vehicle really needs a smog check

    www.baaqmd.gov/exhaust/exhaust.htm
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    Heh heh heh "And she was so quiet, we never knew"
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    Another thing I thought of...when you do decide to go through an intersection get on it. Don't just slowly pedal across. Look like you're on a mission. The drivers will appreciate it if you look like you are trying to hurry so you don't slow them down. We all need to try to be ambassadors of good will toward motorists. The more we get them to tolerate us the better off we all are. I know we have a right to the road - just don't be DEAD right.
    As we must account for every idle word, so must we account for every idle silence." ~Benjamin Franklin

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    Li10up-
    The trick is to just LOOK like you are making haste. You do NOT want to rush across an intersection (dangerous)- or down a narrow road section in the middle of the lane on Main street for that matter. Someone is liable to throw themselves in front of you and if you are speeding you won't stop in time.
    When you are in the "take the lane" part of your ride, you need to be cautious and not rush. BUT- keep pedaling. When you coast without pedaling, it makes car drivers frustrated and subtley encourages them to try to pass you. If they see your legs pedaling they subconsciously feel you are moving faster and they will tend to have a few extra seconds of patience until you can safely move to the side again. Keep pedaling and LOOK like you are moving quickly, but stay steady without speeding up dangerously.
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