Maybe am still conversative?

[Crankin]

That kind of education has to start young, early and often, and in the home... as the mother of 2 boys, I often felt it was my mission to make sure no woman ever said, "Didn't your mother teach you...?" However, after working with teens for a very long time, I can assure you that trying to talk to any adolescent in school about shaming, blaming, over sexualization, etc. probably won't make much of a difference, for several reasons. First, this is a societal issue. If these things are discussed in school, and then adolescent boys go home to hear their dad make comments about women's bodies, they are getting reinforced for their behavior in a way that means more than whatever a teacher says. Secondly, schools are, by nature, bastions of conservative behavior and change comes slowly. I don't necessarily think this good, but I have to agree with Rock n Roll on this one. If I had a daughter, I would never have allowed her to go to school wearing things showing butt crack or cleavage, the same way I did not let my sons wear their pants so low that their cracks were showing... the issue is when schools say that dressing in a certain way will distract the boys. It should only be an issue of knowing that there are different ways of dressing that are appropriate for specific situations and school is one of them.
However, I can see the teenage eyes glazing over and rolling with any type of this discussion. That's why it needs to start in the home and early. And the law is no help when trying to adhere to school dress codes. When I took school law, I remember reading about tons of these cases that one by one, would be over turned. One would be the standard, and then there would be a different decision.

[rocknrollgirl]

I helped write our dress code a while back. I do not think it says anything about being a distraction to anyone. Just that it is not appropriate dress for school, based on the idea that this is for now anyway, their place of business. Top must meet bottom, shoulders must be covered, no hats etc.

[Crankin]

OK, here's another question for everyone, in the same area. Rocknroll's school dress code says no hats. I totally agree (unless it's a religious head cover), but everywhere I go, men are wearing baseball caps. They don't take them off anywhere; in restaurants, and sometimes in places where wearing a casual type of cap is inappropriate in my book. Around here, there seems to be a certain type of 40-50 something male who never takes his hat off.
Again, if your dad wears a hat inside, all of the time, it's hard for a school to tell a kid you can't do that. My DH feels the same way, and besides, he'd never be caught wearing a baseball cap. My sons don't wear them, either.
And don't get me started on those "pink" Red Sox caps...

[shootingstar]

I think I just don't see enough men other than business wear/business casual (where I work) or outside of their cycling clothes, casual street clothes. No, the guys I know don't wear baseball caps regularily at all.

I probably live in a sheltered/narrow world.

Just a small amusing point: Dearie's son who will be 35, occasionally wears a wool toque, yea..in his butcher sandwich shop that he runs. Dearie believes his son is trying to hide his balding patch of hair at back of his head. Dearie is polite about it and doesn't egg him further.

[roo4]

Around here, men/boys/teens wear baseball caps all the time. The majority do not take them off when inside. My DH wears one, but always removes it when he enters a building.