Oh don't get me wrong I love steel frames too! My bianchi road bike and SS are both steel I was just considering the potential for rust. You are very convincing with the Surly ECR lol. Now I understand the handlebars and it's genius! I'm gonna call my rep and see if I can get a deal from Surly before I completely fall in love with the bike. I called the bike shops that are on the way to Tampa and they don't have the ECR to test it out so I'll just have to get a feel from whatever they have. You're DH is brave to have gotten the Surly Big Dummy..it looks like fun! I was talking to my co-workers today about the bikes and they just don't get me. I'm telling you I was born in the wrong state haha. They race mtb and road more than anything. What is the frame saver you mentioned? Also, I couldn't find the video of the handlebars and shifter. Can you link me? I'd love to meet up some day to ride! Thanks!