oh, I'm positive it's 10cm. He wasn't measuring the stem, he was measuring from saddle to drop bars. The apollo was never fitted, but if it has too much of a reach I don't feel it. I had an 80km day on it and the only problem was that my elbows were a little stiff, but I don't change hand position all that much and we did do a fair bit of gravel riding.

I have no idea what to think anymore.