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    Quote Originally Posted by zoom-zoom View Post
    What about a Salsa Warbird? It's a gravel road racer. The Crosscheck is really nice, but pretty heavy.
    Yeah but that weight savings comes at a price. Even the AL version of the Warbird is a far bit more expensive than the Crosscheck, Vaya or Casseroll. Plus, it's AL. I wonder how it rides in comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indysteel View Post
    Yeah but that weight savings comes at a price. Even the AL version of the Warbird is a far bit more expensive than the Crosscheck, Vaya or Casseroll. Plus, it's AL. I wonder how it rides in comparison.
    Bwahaha! Surly states on their blog that they're thinking of pouring molten lead into their frames because so many people say they're "heavy". LOL.

    I have an LHT. I love it. It's not that heavy. If you're not competing in the pelotons of racing glory, you should be just fine.

    Surly's are the most versatile, capable bikes with possibilities for modification, that I've ever come across. The Cross-Check can fit really big 700x45c tires. Such a cushy darned ride! The LHT has big clearances too! I've ridden long distance on my LHT, it's not impossible. I don't think the Salsa's are as modifiable or customizable to suit the rider's tastes. Which now that I've owned a Surly, I don't know if I can get enough of!!!

    I also like that Surly powdercoats their bikes, which isn't pretty but is extremely durable.

    My brain keeps nagging, get a Rivendell, but where would I park that fancy of a bike. Nowhere. I don't live in a high-crime city, but damn I'd need 16frickenlocks to lock up that thing. And a car alarm. And a doberman. I already lock my bikes like a crazy-person anyway. #bikethievessuck

    Best of Luck in your search! *get a cross-check* Tee-hee!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderncyclista View Post
    Bwahaha! Surly states on their blog that they're thinking of pouring molten lead into their frames because so many people say they're "heavy". LOL.

    I have an LHT. I love it. It's not that heavy. If you're not competing in the pelotons of racing glory, you should be just fine.

    Surly's are the most versatile, capable bikes with possibilities for modification, that I've ever come across. The Cross-Check can fit really big 700x45c tires. Such a cushy darned ride! The LHT has big clearances too! I've ridden long distance on my LHT, it's not impossible. I don't think the Salsa's are as modifiable or customizable to suit the rider's tastes. Which now that I've owned a Surly, I don't know if I can get enough of!!!

    I also like that Surly powdercoats their bikes, which isn't pretty but is extremely durable.

    My brain keeps nagging, get a Rivendell, but where would I park that fancy of a bike. Nowhere. I don't live in a high-crime city, but damn I'd need 16frickenlocks to lock up that thing. And a car alarm. And a doberman. I already lock my bikes like a crazy-person anyway. #bikethievessuck

    Best of Luck in your search! *get a cross-check* Tee-hee!
    My tiny little LHT (42cm) is piggy on weight. Nearly 30lbs. It's built with fairly lightweight stuff: XT drivetrain, 23h Bontrager Mustang wheels, and lightweight Delta/Blackburn racks. But it's still a cadillac ride. I've done a few 60 mile day rides with it.

    My pseudo-Crosscheck (Motobecane Fantom CXX) is a bit heavy, but a frisky ride compared the the LHT.

    Surly bikes are pretty awesome for the pricepoint. My SO has an LHT and a Crosscheck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eofelis View Post
    My tiny little LHT (42cm) is piggy on weight. Nearly 30lbs. It's built with fairly lightweight stuff: XT drivetrain, 23h Bontrager Mustang wheels, and lightweight Delta/Blackburn racks. But it's still a cadillac ride. I've done a few 60 mile day rides with it.

    My pseudo-Crosscheck (Motobecane Fantom CXX) is a bit heavy, but a frisky ride compared the the LHT.

    Surly bikes are pretty awesome for the pricepoint. My SO has an LHT and a Crosscheck.

    What would you use the LHT for that you wouldn't use the Gunnar?

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    As the super content owner of a Salsa Vaya I will throw it out there that Salsa does make the Vaya in titanium if you can budget that. I simply LOVE my Vaya. Most comfortable bike ever and even though it's not a light weight it still has a lot of pep. I didn't try to build mine up light. It's more utility than anything but I find it's still my favorite bike of any I have owned. If I could change anything about it I would have bought the frame in titanium but the price wasnt an option at the time. Maybe in the future :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindingRoad View Post
    As the super content owner of a Salsa Vaya I will throw it out there that Salsa does make the Vaya in titanium if you can budget that. I simply LOVE my Vaya. Most comfortable bike ever and even though it's not a light weight it still has a lot of pep. I didn't try to build mine up light. It's more utility than anything but I find it's still my favorite bike of any I have owned. If I could change anything about it I would have bought the frame in titanium but the price wasnt an option at the time. Maybe in the future :-)
    Doesn't titanium fatigue (ie. stretch and become spongy on a microscopic level - affecting power and pedal stroke to energy convergence) like aluminum over time? Steel always seems like a better choice, to me anyways.

    I've still mulled over an Atlantis despite the risky propositions of chaining it up...anywhere. LOL. But, budget and possibility wise, my money is still on the Cross-Check. (If you're not into the LHT that is.) ;D
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    There's nothing stretchy about my titanium bike.
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    It would seem that it does not: http://www.ibiscycles.com/support/te...ium_advantage/

    As long as these loads are kept below a certain level, titanium and steel both have thresholds below which they will never fail.
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