Venting - strength issues

[Catrin]

Thanks for the encouragement. The frustration comes from ignoring all of the other fitness metrics that shows vast improvement in the last 3 years, from lower body weight to core strength, and focusing on one thing. As Indy pointed out, I am very active and actually the most active in my life!

The group trainer has had success with a couple of other women my age with the same issue, so I am hopeful. I just have to do my part and NOT overdo things the day after he works my arms to failure - which he has started to do - I've not had upper body workouts quite like this before, or really even seen one like it. It doesn't hurt me in the shoulder area to lift things over my head - the problem is having the strength to do so.

Crankin, have you had that checked out? If it is causing you pain then could something else be going on outside of strength issues? I realize that might sound kind of funny coming from me (doctor? who needs a doctor?) but I have hopefully learned my lesson...

[indysteel]

I hope I didn't sound entirely unsympathetic. I understand the frustration. I work out with my trainer in the fitness room used by the US Marshals. There's one woman who's often down there who is SO strong. It's really easy for me to get in a funk when I see her lifting 3x as much as me. But she's also been doing this for years. Now I could be wrong, but I think she's mostly just a gym person, so I bet I could show her a thing or two on a road or mountain bike or in a yoga class. At least that's what I tell myself.

I could get stronger if I was willing to add another strength day into my routine, but there's just not enough room in my schedule at the moment. I've been trying to do some stuff with free weights at home.

I do think you should focus on the positive Catrin and appreciate that if you work at your upper body strength, it will likely get better over time. Just don't stubborn yourself into an overuse injury. I, personally, have to recognize that I can only do so much. I could ask my trainer to really kill me each week, but it would then impact my ability to do other things. Balance, balance, balance.

Speaking of balance, make sure you work on that, too!

[Crankin]

No, this is not "medical." I've always had this. It just seems harder to work past the "suffering" in this part of my body. My upper body has always been weak, but I build muscle quickly, say, in my biceps, triceps, even my back, once I start lifting and doing other stuff. Given the fact that I am almost 59 and probably in the best shape of my life, I won't stress over this. I have plenty of other muscular/bone/injury issues that are on-going, that I can complain more about!

[Catrin]

.....I do think you should focus on the positive Catrin and appreciate that if you work at your upper body strength, it will likely get better over time. Just don't stubborn yourself into an overuse injury. I, personally, have to recognize that I can only do so much. I could ask my trainer to really kill me each week, but it would then impact my ability to do other things. Balance, balance, balance.

Speaking of balance, make sure you work on that, too!

Yep, all of this I am not at the gym any more than normal, and I am getting enough riding in AND the rest days I know I need. I gave up a couple of activities when I took on the group training so I wouldn't give myself over-use injuries; no over-use injuries are allowed this year! As far as the OTHER kind of balance, Bosu class is great for that - though right now I am only doing that once a week and that's only a 30 minute class. More would be too much for now.

My arm/shoulder strength is better than it was 3 years ago, it's just taking a lot longer to develop. I HAVE noticed since starting this group training/metabolic/functional training that I've gotten a lot stronger/faster on the bike and THAT is a good thing In the end, all of this is to support my riding/mountain biking (and of course general health and fitness). I am probably in the best shape in my life, even if I do have a bit more padding around the middle than I would like, and that is indeed worth celebrating!

Crankin - glad to hear that isn't a matter of concern!

[Irulan]

Most women have much less upper body strength as a general rule. And then, there's rangy/stringy strength vs bulky big strength. Keep at it, keep pushing your weights and sets to failure, and you'll get there. I think the biggest mistake women make is not pushing it for upper body. "oh my arms will get too big" or whatever. Ignore them. Go for the 12# dumbell instead of the #10.

[Catrin]

Most women have much less upper body strength as a general rule. And then, there's rangy/stringy strength vs bulky big strength. Keep at it, keep pushing your weights and sets to failure, and you'll get there. I think the biggest mistake women make is not pushing it for upper body. "oh my arms will get too big" or whatever. Ignore them. Go for the 12# dumbell instead of the #10.

Thanks Irulan - I know I don't have to worry about "bulking up". Indeed I really want tighter/more defined upper arms - as much work as they have received over the past 3 years they don't LOOK much different, though they are stronger than they used to be.

[OakLeaf]

Lots of good feedback here, but I'd also wonder whether your history of neck injuries is contributing.

Check out the American women's Olympic lifter. She can lift a whopping amount of weight, but there's no way she is fit, though I do admire her strength.

I don't know whether you mean Sarah Robles or Holley Mangold. And I'm assuming that you're making that sizeist judgment because of the weight class they lift in.

I'm assuming you mean one of them because this year the USA didn't send a woman lifter in a lighter weight class. As one of the articles about Mangold pointed out, weightlifting in the USA in general is the red-headed stepchild of sports. But would you conclude that Canadian lifter Marilou Dozois-Prévost is "unfit" because her chosen sport doesn't require a lot of cardio training? Or would you conclude that she's fit because she lifts in the 48kg or 53kg weight class?

I surely can't think of any other reason than size, that you would conclude that an Olympic-caliber athlete, one of the top ten athletes in her sport in the entire world, is not "fit."

[Catrin]

Lots of good feedback here, but I'd also wonder whether your history of neck injuries is contributing.

This is certainly possible - and I am vigilant for any signs of stress/pain in my neck - both during/afterwards/next day. The known issues with my neck didn't arise until last October, though there was likely some underlying problems with it prior to that point.

This is one reason I am not doing weighted back squats - the squat machine seems to actually stretch my neck and it feels better afterwards than before. All in all my cervical spine seems to feel better than it did before I started with the new group trainer almost a month ago and he is aware of my neck issues. I have't needed to use heat on my neck since we started - and prior to that I was using it several times a week.

[Catrin]

I surely can't think of any other reason than size, that you would conclude that an Olympic-caliber athlete, one of the top ten athletes in her sport in the entire world, is not "fit."

I saw an interview with her trainer the other day who said that she is the most fit in her in life, he almost sounded in awe of her. I also didn't know that she played linebacker in her high school football team. I've read a lot of comments about her that would never have been said if she were male. They should have been ashamed of themselves.