European Cities Allowing Bikes to Run Red Lights

[sarahkonamojo]

They refer to it here as the Idaho stop. Treat a red light like a stop sign. treat a stop sign light a yield sign.

[Sky King]

They refer to it here as the Idaho stop. Treat a red light like a stop sign. treat a stop sign light a yield sign.

Yes, In Idaho it is legal to stop and then proceed on through a red light if it is safe to do so. You are supposed to stop prior to moving forward. For stop signs we can slow and make sure the path is clear prior to advancing but for stop lights we are to stop.

As the rest of you, if it is a busy intersection I take my lane and wait my turn with the traffic rather than attempting to move through a red light. The intersection right by my house has 5 roads that intersect at the light so there is no way I will run the light (unless there are zero cars)

[rubysoho]

As the rest of you, if it is a busy intersection I take my lane and wait my turn with the traffic rather than attempting to move through a red light. The intersection right by my house has 5 roads that intersect at the light so there is no way I will run the light (unless there are zero cars)

Same. My road traffic is way too heavy (over 1 million people in the county and most of them drive). Whatever red light, I take my place in line and wait. I don't move up to the intersection.

Is it okay that I don't move up to the intersection or am putting myself in danger? I feel moving up to the front causes a backup in traffic and I'd rather not aggravate drivers who are already upset about all the traffic they have to deal with (though they are also creating it! ).

[soprano]

Is it okay that I don't move up to the intersection or am putting myself in danger? I feel moving up to the front causes a backup in traffic and I'd rather not aggravate drivers who are already upset about all the traffic they have to deal with (though they are also creating it! ).

Make sure to position yourself so that oncoming, left-turning traffic can see you.

[rubysoho]

Make sure to position yourself so that oncoming, left-turning traffic can see you.

Genuine question: How is it different than when I am riding through an intersection though? In case it matters, our lights are timed so left turn either has their own light that turns red before straight moving traffic goes or they are required to yield to oncoming traffic.

I make sure I wear my high viz windbreaker and have lights on the front, back and my tires. They are either going to see me or they have to be blind. I am much more worried about merging traffic from other roads when they are coming across my lane or vehicles wanting to get to the right turn lane since most decide to speed up to cross ahead of me while another waits to take the lane behind me and the two come close to colliding. I'm worried one of the drivers will forget where I am in order to protect their car from hitting the other. (Saw this yesterday except they the car behind just braked to prevent getting hit.)

[soprano]

If you are in the lane behind anything bigger than a compact car, oncoming drivers who are waiting to turn left can't see you. They will assume that the lane is clear and start to turn as the car in front of you goes past them.

I've come close to being hit several times this way. These days I either go around waiting cars so I can wait at the front of the intersection, where I am most visible to everyone in the intersection, or I wait in the leftmost part of the lane so oncoming drivers can see me. It doesn't matter how bright my clothing is or how good my lights are if there is an SUV between me and turning traffic.

When I am driving, good defensive driving practice dictates that I wait and verify that there is nothing hiding behind oncoming cars before I turn. Now, wouldn't it be just peachy if everyone did this? The problem is that they don't.

[rubysoho]

Thank you for pointing out that situation to me. One more thing to be aware of on the road.

[Sky King]

Same. My road traffic is way too heavy (over 1 million people in the county and most of them drive). Whatever red light, I take my place in line and wait. I don't move up to the intersection.

Is it okay that I don't move up to the intersection or am putting myself in danger? I feel moving up to the front causes a backup in traffic and I'd rather not aggravate drivers who are already upset about all the traffic they have to deal with (though they are also creating it! ).

I hear you. When there are more than two cars waiting at the light I move up to the front but I will preface that by saying I am also looking at who has their right turn signal on - busy intersections are tough for sure. My daughter was knocked off her bike by a suv turning right in downtown portland I always try to be either in front of or behind anyone with a turn signal. I always assume the driver has not seen me and bike defensively.

be safe!

[OakLeaf]

It totally depends on the intersection, I think. How many lanes (both in the street you're on and in the cross street), how wide a bike lane/shoulder, does the road change in any way on the other side of the intersection, how heavy is traffic, what's the speed limit, what are local drivers' habits. I don't think whether to filter through traffic is one of those questions that has a blanket answer. It certainly doesn't for me.

[Seajay]

Problem with passing all the stopped cars to move to the front is that everyone who managed to get around you safely...now has to do it again...and again at the next light. Seems to me the fewer cars coming up behind be the better. At least I can see what's happening ahead.
I always wait in my spot in line.

[rubysoho]

Problem with passing all the stopped cars to move to the front is that everyone who managed to get around you safely...now has to do it again...and again at the next light. Seems to me the fewer cars coming up behind be the better. At least I can see what's happening ahead.
I always wait in my spot in line.

This reflects my own thoughts/opinion regarding the situation. But the point about being visible to those turning left from the oncoming traffic lane is valid too. However I think I will still wait my turn in line and try to increase my own awareness of oncoming cars turning left.

Back on topic, I can't imagine running a red light. Paris is a busy city so I can't imagine their intersections are any less busy than mine. I'll slow down and roll through a stop sign at most. A red light? No way.

I also refuse to hop over to the crosswalk like I see a lot of cyclists do when they don't want to wait for a red light.