Apostrophes or is it apostrophe's?

[maillotpois]

Can't believe the PTO didn't grammar check - what a terrible example!!

Em's only remaining apostrophe error is occasional omission when she intends a possessive. I corrected a few of those last night in her honors world history work. It'll sink in. Eventually.

[Eden]

My question is why does my spell checker dislike "women's"..... I get it that womens is not right as women is already plural, but something can belong to a group of women..... I always see the little red dots when I want to write about "women's racing" or "women's fields"... to call them woman's seems more incorrect to me... (and so that it is not sexist it also dislikes men's)....

(I think I just answered my own question... it should be women' to follow the pattern of not putting an 's on something that already is plural, but IMHO that's kind of stupid, because you cannot speak an '.... so in speaking to someone you would have to say the s to sound right and be clear.... apparently British English allows 's on men's and women's - I agree with the Brits)

[Irulan]

Examples illustrated here.

http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/apostro.asp

I still have to mentally do "is it a contraction?" for "its" vs "it's".

[Eden]

ohhhhh she disagrees with my spell checker and allows women's.... I think I'll keep using it despite being harassed by the little red dots.

[Irulan]

Here's a local one that drives me nuts.

Shamuss's Sandwiches

Is that correct or not?

[Eden]

Here's a local one that drives me nuts.

Shamuss's Sandwiches

Is that correct or not?

That is along the lines of what I was looking at, plural possessives and pluralizing things that end in s. I think that should be Shamusses' Sandwiches..... but if you really ask me, it is somewhat arbitrary to do it that way.... It doesn't change the meaning to write Shamuss's v/s Shamusses'.

[OakLeaf]

You'll see authorities on either side of that one. IIRC (and it's been a long time and I have no idea where my copy is now ), Strunk & White are [were? okay, that one I'm not looking up] in favor of it. I prefer it with the 's, myself. But I don't think there's any support for adding an "e" - I've never seen it that way.



ETA - haha, that was hard - my brittle-paged second printing Elements of Style was right next to my neglected print Petit Larousse, and the very first rule in it is:

Form the possessive singular of nouns by adding 's. Follow this rule whatever the final consonant. Thus write,

Charles's friend
Burns's poems
the witch's malice

Exceptions are the possessives of ancient proper names in -es and -is, the possessive Jesus', and such forms as for conscience' sake, for righteousness' sake....

[7rider]

ohhhhh she disagrees with my spell checker and allows women's.... I think I'll keep using it despite being harassed by the little red dots.

I find my spell checker is frequently incorrect.
I click "ignore" a lot.

[Crankin]

Thank you.
I absolutely detest the increasing number of writers who think you need to use an apostrophe any time there is a "s" at the end of a word. It doesn't surprise me that there were such mistakes on a PTA poster. As a former writing teacher, I loved teaching my kids how using appositives, dependent, and independent clauses made them better writers. When done with the intent of teaching them to be able to express themselves better, they ate up the grammar teaching, just as Veronica describes.
It hurts my eyes to read some of the posts on TE. I know that using apostrophes incorrectly is not a sign of a personality deficiency, but... I guess I am old fashioned; I still proof my posts, even though this is not what I call "formal" writing.

[Irulan]

I find my spell checker is frequently incorrect.
I click "ignore" a lot.

Can't you add it to the spell checker?

[7rider]

Can't you add it to the spell checker?

Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't.

[KnottedYet]

Misplaced apostrophes and misspellings can make my eye stumble as I'm reading, but I know what the writer is trying to say. Doesn't upset me.

I grew up in a family rolling in librarians and authors with an easy-going attitude toward that kind of stuff. If a friend or forum-buddy makes a grammar mistake but you know what they are trying to say, it doesn't matter.

But if a publisher or professional messes up... watch out!

[carlotta]

My English teacher as a sophomore in HS was quite into grammar.... we spent eons learning 6 or 8 rules for comma usage (and semicolons, etc.) and it was absolutely miserable. There were also large chunks of class devoted to writing intro/concluding paragraphs of essays (also miserable).

I wish I knew where to find her now (she retired a year or two after I graduated) so I could THANK HER, thousands and thousands of times.

I've never had to think about comma usage, and I am a much better writer for the year I spent in her class. I also wish I could find those rules so I could share them with a number of grad students and PhD's that I work with....