I have three different warth levels of unpadded tights. The warmest being the PI ones you posted about it and already own.

I don't mind the two waist band thing. But putting on multiple layers gets to be a time consuming. I was just considering getting some knickers and now maybe tights with the chamois in them for that reason. Good thread.

I do xc ski some and wear the unpadded tights for other things though... so you do get more versatility for your money. And yea, I'm one of those freaks that likes the cooler weather, vs dead of summer. Just wish it was less work getting dressed!

Jackets- I have a different wind shells, and a warmer Gore jakcet, think it's this one... http://www.teamestrogen.com/prodGB_JPOWGL_0.html. Plus, some heavier type Shebeest soft shell jacket.