I have the Y's, but my latest pair seems to have some little bump or something that causes irriation after a couple of hours. Of course I can't find anything that would cause it.

Probably not going to sell the WBs, since they are okay for after work rides, while it's still cold. But I may change my mind. I've discovered that I do like knickers.

Thanks for the info the Descentes. Maybe I'll give those a try.

V.