OK, I got my WBs yesterday and wore them on the trainer this morning (note: I am too wimpy to ride in the cold, so my bike is staying in the trainer for a while longer). So my testing environment is different from snap's.

Yup, those knees are certainly warm. Good thing I had both fans going! This is not a knicker you'd want to wear to spin class. I like the chamois. I was a little worried at first because the shorts seem a little big (with lots of chamois extrusion and "empty" space in front), but once on the saddle it was OK. I still think they are a little on the big side for me, but not so big that I'll get chafing or anything.

I too like the waistband. However, the lack of grippers on the legs coupled with "shapely" calves means that the legs did ride up on me, to the point where I had some pretty uncomfortable bunching behind the knee. So I'd say that if you have big or developed calves, this would prolly be a consideration. It wasn't a deal breaker for me, but it is annoying.

snap, did you think that they ran a little big? I don't want to say that they do, but they seem larger than my other shorts of the "same" size (understanding that sizes vary widely).