Kitchen renovation: just beginning, and already overwhelmed

[tulip]

Hi, welcome to the world of kitchen renovation.

I'm pretty sure I know the condos of which you speak. Not your unit, of course, but I've been there when I lived in the area and had several friends who lived in those condos. There's not much you can do about the layout of the kitchen unless you want to start taking down walls. Sounds like that would be over your budget, and I would strongly recommend sticking to your budget (I didn't and it's painful). Plus, the layout of those units works pretty well.

I would suggest that you reconsider getting rid of the existing cabinets. They are obviously solid and well-built if they have lasted 40 years. No Ikea or Home Depot cabinets will last 40 years! Refinishing or repainting, and replacing the hinges where needed and the hardware will look great. Also keeps stuff out of landfill, yadda yadda. Find out where that mold smell is coming from--it might not be from the cabinets. It might be from a leaking pipe that should be fixed.

Do the ceiling. Lighting makes so much difference! While you're at it, definitely install under-counter lights. Not the Ikea ones, but hardwired ones. You will need an electrician. He or she should also make sure that everything meets code, including GFI outlets. It's important to have permits in place and inspections passed for when you sell the place.

I'm rambling a bit but here's what I would do:

ceiling with recessed lights on a dimmer. Makes a huge improvement
under counter lights (PM me for my brand--I'll look it up if you want)
refinish/paint/new hardware on cabinets if they are solid
new sink, or at least new faucet. Huge difference.
Disposal if you don't already have one. Good for resale
countertop--I don't know what yours is. Mine is concrete and I love it.
tile backsplash. I have yet to do this in my kitchen!!! Winter project, perhaps (wasn't that supposed to be last winter's project?)

One of the reasons I encourage you to keep the cabinets is that unless you are going to get really good quality cabinets, they are just going to look cheap and won't hold up. Ikea stuff looks good, but after a few years, it starts to break. I have custom bamboo cabinets that I love, although they are very expensive. My kitchen had no cabinets, so I was starting from scratch. If you sell the place, good quality cabinets will really be a selling point. If you stay, you will enjoy really good quality cabinets (with self closing drawers--ooooh).

appliances: replace as needed. Not necessary to do all at once, unless you don't have any to begin with (like me). But that's not your case.

Remember, have fun! PM me for more questions if you want.

[tulip]

What's your floor now? If you are going to do the floor, yes, do it now. I kept my wood floor, but I woulda coulda shoulda refinished it (in entire house) before I moved in. Oh well.

[Trek420]

Ikea stuff looks good, but after a few years, it starts to break.

What she said. Get Ikea pillows, funny shaped lamps, coffee table if you want but stay awaaaay from kitchen cabs. I got new semi custom cabs from a local (not a chain) hardware store, granite counters, tile back splash, flooring. Beat the price of a box store.

But if I'd had solid wood cabinets instead of rotting badly laid out pressboard I'd have kept them and refinished, new hardware ... maybe roll out drawers if I liked the layout.

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[tulip]

Trek and Irulan also have lots of good experience and advice.

[Trek420]

Experience I've got. Advice? I dunno.

I can tell you all the things that can go wrong BTDTGTTTshirt.

[sempronialou]

We had our kitchen redone by Home Depot. They took of everything, but we did the demolition and drywall ourselves. They had contractors come in to drywall the doorways (something we couldn't do ourselves), put in the cabinets, lay down the tile, and install the granite and sink. We had friends do the plumbing and electrical who are professionals. It went very smoothly. The cabinets we got are pretty solid. You have so many choices you can go through and samples as well. The cabinets we got are a lifetime guarantee. A few weeks ago I made a stupid mistake and ended up with a crack in one of the cabinet doors (don't ask). I had found out that the cabinet brand was discontinued a few years ago when I went to Home Depot, but Kraftmaid was the last company that became the carrier. I called up Kraftmaid and they were able to find the old invoice on file and send my a new door a week later. I was very impressed with Kraftmaid's customer service.

Your other option would be too look at local kitchen/bath shops to see what they have. Usually they give you a choice of contractors to work with. There might even be someone local who does custom cabinets that are solid. My parents went that route several years ago, and the kitchen still looks great and the cabinets are in wonderful shape.

You could always save the old cabinets and sell them on craigslist or donate them to something like habitat for humanity rather than throwing them in a land fill. We ended up using our old cabinets in the basement for extra storage (they are hideous, but work well for storage).

[Crankin]

We used a one stop independently owned kitchen and bath design/remodel shop. They took care of everything. Joe, our designer, served as our general contractor. We told him what we wanted and our budget. He drew up plans, made recommendations for fixtures, cabinets, etc, and then we went to the shop and looked through waaaay too many books and samples for my taste. My advice is get the best quality cabinets you can afford. My problem is that I like nice things, but have no patience for looking and choosing and I have little knowledge about this kind of stuff. It kind of annoys me. This is my fifth house and the first one I have been actively involved in, as far as picking out anything, except for the furniture. I made a huge mistake when we were presented the plans for our master bath remodel, which was a total gut and renovation; I really don't "get" something when I see it on a plan, so I gave a quick yes, and it was only when it was done that I realized that we had a (very nice) maple cabinet right in the middle of our sinks, sort of dividing my side from DH's almost all the way to the edge of the counter. Oh well. I am used to it now, but when I first saw it, I was upset. The kitchen, on the other hand and the powder room are perfect. But, our contractor was perfect and each job took 6 weeks or less to do. They hired and supervised all of the different workers, such as electricians, plumbers, tile guy. I would never want to be in charge of this myself. DH is very knowledgeable, but couldn't be home all of the time. He did the other 2 bathrooms by himself, learning what he didn't know from the people at Home Depot. But, our contractors also gave him some advice, as he was working at the same time they were.

[jessmarimba]

The mold smell could possibly be coming from under the cabinet or even under the condo if your plumbing runs into the crawl space there.

I'd try to keep the cabinets, if it was me (at least, if you can figure out the moldy mildewy smell)! I don't think new ones would add as much resell value as they will cost you.

[Irulan]

Trek and Irulan also have lots of good experience and advice.

-mold can be stopped, but it's very hard to clean and more importantly WHERE is it coming form and WHY is it there... that needs to be fixed. In some cases mold is considered toxic and an environmental hazard.

I haven't done kitchens.. but you said one thing that got my attention:

- It makes no sense to replace the counters unless I am sure I will keep the existing cabinet frames for a long time.

What is "a long time"? A counter is a relatively easy project, typically it just bolts on and off. You can get very good looking replacements with formica style covering, stock or custom at Lowe's etc.

I will underscore what others have said about older solid hardwood cabinet frames. They just don't make them like that any more, unless you hire a cabinet maker and specific hardwood. I'd go with new doors and drawer fronts, and resurfacing to match. When we do ours, that is what we'll do.

[jessmarimba]

I also wanted to add - if the smell is from the cabinet base under the sink, you can probably replace just the bottom piece of wood.

Whoever "upgraded" my kitchen to pressed wood cabinets is tormenting me until I can re-do my own kitchen. Stinkin' flippers...while the old look may have been dated, I would've preferred whatever funky cabinets were there to the contractor's special I have now. Paint won't even stick to the veneer.

I will say, the Habitat for Humanities ReStore has done wonders for this house. If you ditch your old cabinets, please donate them so someone like me can use them

[snapdragen]

I didn't re-do a kitchen, but I did my bathroom. I bought new doors and drawer fronts from Home Depot, painted them and the vanity white. It looks good, and is a huge improvement over what was there. They have different levels of wood quality for the doors/drawer fronts, depending on if you want to paint or stain them.