Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, I considered men's shorts and tried some on. Even bought one pair and rode 10 miles in them. Waist and hip fit were comfortable, but the chamois wasn't - too big at the front and too narrow at the back. So my butt was partially off the pads. I don't mind trying several pairs to see what fits best, but how do you do that through mail order? Order several and send most of them back?