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**Catrin** · 03-02-2010, 02:00 PM

I just had an interesting conversation with Surly. I just had, I thought, a simple question for them - an idea what the 46cm Long Haul Trucker Complete build weighs. Seemed an easy question to me, and I was surprised when the woman I was talking with laughed when I asked

First she said that she wasn't surprised that I couldn't find the information, because Surly does make certain information hard to find. She wasn't able to answer my question, but did tell me the frame and fork weigh 3,320 grams. Not pounds, not even ounces, but grams (frame = 2,300 and fork = 1,020) I do realize that grams are considered a more precise measurement, but I wasn't expecting it

She did confirm that it may well weigh less than my Trek 7.6, or the same, but not more. I guess that when I think of steel, I am thinking of an old heavy bike I saw years ago - steel frames have changed greatly since then!

17 days and counting before I can order my beautiful blue Long Haul Trucker

**Cataboo** · 03-02-2010, 02:06 PM

Most bike manufacturers make weight hard to find.

I can say that my 43 cm surly pacer probably weighs about 25 lbs. I didn't go particularly light with the build, and it's got a rack on it, etc. My road bikes weigh about 16-18 lbs and my mountain bike's about 22 lbs.

So it is the heaviest of my bikes.

**moderncyclista** · 03-02-2010, 02:07 PM

Most manufacturers don't disclose weight anymore. On average, steel bikes without racks are around 22-ish lbs. depending on frame size. My Jamis Aurora is lighter than my 520 (but the Aurora doesn't have a rack, it will eventually I'm sure - both have fenders. I use my bikes for leisure and utility.) A mountain bike is often heavier 25 lbs or more to start with on average add a rack and all that jazz and you may top 30lbs or more. Carbon bikes are light as beejeezus (yes that is the scientific classification) and often weigh less than 15 lbs. all tricked out. They are for racing though and not hauling.

**KnottedYet** · 03-02-2010, 03:15 PM

The LHT frame weight is right there on the Surly website, which is where I got it from when I posted it earlier: 5.15 pounds. That's for the 58cm. The 46cm will be even lighter. (smaller frame = less steel)

Like I said, it's the stuff you put on the frame that really influences the weight. Short of picking up a 46cm LHT at the shop and weighing it (call someone like Free Range Cycles and ask them to do that) it would be difficult to get a weight. It will vary with size and what is put on it. Wider bars = higher weight. Juicier tires = higher weight. Change brand of parts one year to the next, and the weight changes again.

**Catrin** · 03-02-2010, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by KnottedYet

The LHT frame weight is right there on the Surly website, which is where I got it from when I posted it earlier: 5 1/2 pounds.

Like I said, it's the stuff you put on the frame that really influences the weight. Short of picking up a 46cm LHT at the shop and weighing it (call someone like Free Range Cycles and ask them to do that) it would be difficult to get a weight. It will vary with size and what is put on it. Wider bars = higher weight. Juicier tires = higher weight. Change brand of parts one year to the next, and the weight changes again.

That makes perfect sense. I was trying to estimate from the parts but don't know enough about all of the parts to do that

I will call Free Range and ask - it is just out of curiousity.

**soprano** · 03-03-2010, 08:42 PM

I recently bought a 52 cm stock LHT. It weighed 26 pounds w/out rack and fenders.

**WindingRoad** · 03-04-2010, 05:24 AM

It's probably going to vary alot depending of what steel they use. I have a Bianchi Imola and she's light, not as light as my carbon bike but I love riding the Bianchi. Steel bikes are so 'snappy' feeling to me.

**moderncyclista** · 03-04-2010, 04:48 PM

Caitrin: All in all - exact weight isn't going to matter much. Again, my steel bikes vary but both are lighter than the aluminum 7.2 fx I used to own awhile back.

Winding Road: Whoo-hoo! I agree. I lurvve steel.

**Catrin** · 03-04-2010, 05:24 PM

Thanks to everyone for their comments on this - guess that I am focusing overly much on numbers

**TxDoc** · 03-04-2010, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by WindingRoad

It's probably going to vary alot depending of what steel they use.

...and depending on what parts you use for the build.
For example I own a 9 years old steel Bianchi (the Eros, so not the lightest steel Bianchi on the catalog). I stripped down that frame and rebuilt with all lightweight components as soon as it got home from the shop. The weight out of the shop was like 23-24 lbs, and is down to 17.5 or so with my configuration - which is lighter than many aluminum bikes out of the shop. Actually, it is lighter than some lower-end carbon bikes right out of the shop as well.
The frame is only part of the weight - the components contribute way more to the final numbers. If you want to build a lightweight bike, find lightweight group and wheels. Replace alloy/steel components with carbon and titanium - and that will lower your final weight drastically.
Good luck

**Catrin** · 03-05-2010, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by TxDoc

...and depending on what parts you use for the build.
For example I own a 9 years old steel Bianchi (the Eros, so not the lightest steel Bianchi on the catalog). I stripped down that frame and rebuilt with all lightweight components as soon as it got home from the shop. The weight out of the shop was like 23-24 lbs, and is down to 17.5 or so with my configuration - which is lighter than many aluminum bikes out of the shop. Actually, it is lighter than some lower-end carbon bikes right out of the shop as well.
The frame is only part of the weight - the components contribute way more to the final numbers. If you want to build a lightweight bike, find lightweight group and wheels. Replace alloy/steel components with carbon and titanium - and that will lower your final weight drastically.
Good luck

Thanks TxDoc - this is so interesting to me and it is good to learn about how everything works together. I am looking forward very much to my LHT - 2 weeks and counting

**PscyclePath** · 03-25-2010, 05:53 AM

I just replaced my faithful old Cross-Check with a Long Haul Trucker... After we got it built up, I as wondering about the weight, and Sam the LBS owner laughed with me and said, "You know, we just don't weigh too many Surlys."

That got the curiousity fired up, so we headed for the far back corner where the scales are. My answer, (56 cm 2010 Trucker (Blue Velvet paint, 700C wheels, with front & rear racks, DHS fenders, bottle cages and pedals) 33 pounds, 12 ounces.

Tom

**Cataboo** · 03-25-2010, 06:52 AM

Yikes.

**Catrin** · 03-25-2010, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by PscyclePath

I just replaced my faithful old Cross-Check with a Long Haul Trucker... After we got it built up, I as wondering about the weight, and Sam the LBS owner laughed with me and said, "You know, we just don't weigh too many Surlys."

That got the curiousity fired up, so we headed for the far back corner where the scales are. My answer, (56 cm 2010 Trucker (Blue Velvet paint, 700C wheels, with front & rear racks, DHS fenders, bottle cages and pedals) 33 pounds, 12 ounces.

Tom

OH MY! Hoping the 46cm frame along with the 26 inch wheels and current lack of racks will drop a good amount of weight from that

. I don't care though, if I can't get it on my bike rack than my personal trainer is going to get a request for higher weights in our sessions

**moderncyclista** · 03-25-2010, 01:52 PM

56cm LHT:33lbs. 12 oz - Eeep. That is heavy duty. Hmm. I'm 5'3'' so I don't think I want to lug 33 lbs-ish. up the stairs to work. I've thought about an LHT (as a winter bike). My 520is probably 5-7 lbs lighter than that (with racks and fenders). Much lighter than my riding partners 16'' (she's short too) mountain bike.

****25lbs. on a scale****48cm 520 (with racks/fenders/2bottlecages)
(scales vary on accuracy so this could be slightly off)

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