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    Hey, I didn't make that statement. Feel free to correct your quote . . .

    And read the website author's statement about which/that.
    http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/which.html

    And more comments from the author of English language guide (and found through comments on Brians' site -- and notice the italics and a redundant indent to show that I am quoting someone else):
    http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~jlynch...ng/t.html#that

    That versus Which.
    According to the more quibbling self-styled grammar experts, that is restrictive, while which is not.

    Many grammarians insist on a distinction without any historical justification. Many of the best writers in the language couldn't tell you the difference between them, while many of the worst think they know. If the subtle difference between the two confuses you, use whatever sounds right. Other matters are more worthy of your attention.

    For the curious, however, the relative pronoun that is restrictive, which means it tells you a necessary piece of information about its antecedent: for example, "The word processor that is used most often is WordPerfect." Here the that phrase answers an important question: which of the many word processors are we talking about? And the answer is the one that is used most often.

    Which is non-restrictive: it does not limit the word it refers to. An example is "Penn's ID center, which is called CUPID, has been successful so far." Here that is unnecessary: the which does not tell us which of Penn's many ID centers we're considering; it simply provides an extra piece of information about the plan we're already discussing. "Penn's ID Center" tells us all we really need to know to identify it.

    It boils down to this: if you can tell which thing is being discussed without the which or that clause, use which; if you can't, use that.

    There are two rules of thumb you can keep in mind. First, if the phrase needs a comma, you probably mean which. Since "Penn's ID center" calls for a comma, we would not say "Penn's ID Center, that is called CUPID."

    Another way to keep them straight is to imagine by the way following every which: "Penn's ID center, which (by the way) is called CUPID. . . ." The which adds a useful, but not grammatically necessary, piece of information. On the other hand, we wouldn't say "The word processor which (by the way) is used most often is WordPerfect," because the word processor on its own isn't enough information — which word processor?

    A paradoxical mnemonic: use that to tell which, and which to tell that.

    This opinion would support Brians' choice of "which" over "that." I'm now outta here.
    Last edited by SadieKate; 01-27-2010 at 01:47 PM.
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