Morton's Foot?

[OakLeaf]

Morton's foot and Morton's neuroma are two different things. Just named after the same doctor.

[zia]

Surprising update: I DID wear my newly-configured shoes for a 10K running race yesterday and... no knee pain! This is the first time in YEARS I have had zero knee pain at this distance. Who would have thought 2-3mm could make such a difference?

Next step: configure my bike shoes similarly and see if I notice a difference on the bike. I never feel like I'm striking the pedals with the entire ball of my foot... hmmm....

OakLeaf, I never thought of putting an insert into V5Fs. Seems counter-intuitive, but I'm tempted. I was passed by a speedy barefooter yesterday and was intrigued. Again.

[ginny]

Hi all, I just noticed this thread and I have a few questions. My second metatarsal is longer than my first, but I seem to have retracted tendons in that toe on both feet that brings the toe more in line with my big toe. It also makes the toe perma-bent. It's also super ugly with a hammerhead appearance. The questions are: do you all experience this premabend as well? Do the pads help stretch the tendons and eliminate this strange bend? Do you have some web reading you can refer me to? I have successfully run short and long distance since I was 13 with very few injuries, but I worry this bend will be more pronounced as I get older and I will begin to have shoe-rub issues. Thanks!

[OakLeaf]

Ginny, I wonder if your shoes are just too small.

For years, I wore shoes that were too small for my toes, just because my toes are so long (all of them), and I wanted/felt I needed shoes that fit my feet, i.e. had their arch where the arch of my foot was.

In the past year and a half I've completely revised my idea of what shoes fit and what don't. One of the things I've done is go from a size 8.5-9 to a size 10.5-11. My toes have gradually straightened out, and some of my toenail problems are resolving. (Others of my toenail problems have to do with width, not length, and so far I have yet to find a shoe that's wide enough for my forefoot and narrow enough for my heel - another reason I'm seriously eyeing the VFFs.) Seriously, at 5'3" I have the feet of Daisy Duck.

[NbyNW]

Zia, great to hear that you had a positive result with your run! Looking forward to hearing how it goes with your cycling shoes.

I'm gonna keep an eye out for some metatarsal pads when I'm out shopping this afternoon.

[OakLeaf]

Do you have some web reading you can refer me to?

This is an excerpt from the book we're talking about.

Google brings you other results.


Wow Zia, that's great! I'm adjusting gradually and unfortunately I don't think it's a good idea to run my half marathon this Sunday in the new pads. There's definitely a big muscle adjustment going on in the shorter runs. I'm not 100% sure I've got the thickness and placement spot-on yet, either.

[KnottedYet]

I wouldn't think you'd need to pad the 1st met head in a pair of VFFs.

Don't forget, "Morton's Foot" is a perfectly functional foot. Entire civilizations had "Morton's Feet" (Greeks, Celts) and they were vibrant powerful cultures. They weren't hobbling around on crippled feet.

What they had were shoes made for THEIR kind of foot. (or sandals/soft shoes) Morton's foot only becomes an issue when you try to cram a long 2nd metatarsal foot into a shoe designed by and for folks with long 1st metatarsal feet.

(and, of course, they weren't constantly exposed to flat hard surfaces, which I still swear are the bane of ALL modern tootsies)

Morton's foot isn't just a longer 2nd metatarsal, it's also a differently shaped cuboid bone so the foot really does move a little differently. It's also a longer foot, so it's easy to develop hammer-toe because of shoes that are too short in the toe box.

VFF are enough like barefoot that I'd think they'd let your foot do its natural thing, unhampered by shoes designed for a different kind of foot. I'd just suggest you start your VFF running on dirt trails or grassy fields so your foot muscles have a chance to wake up and gain the strength to support your mets properly before you start running on hard flat surfaces.

Knot-doesn't-have-Morton's-foot (but does have dropped 2nd met head)

[Jolt]

I wouldn't think you'd need to pad the 1st met head in a pair of VFFs.

Don't forget, "Morton's Foot" is a perfectly functional foot. Entire civilizations had "Morton's Feet" (Greeks, Celts) and they were vibrant powerful cultures. They weren't hobbling around on crippled feet.

What they had were shoes made for THEIR kind of foot. (or sandals/soft shoes) Morton's foot only becomes an issue when you try to cram a long 2nd metatarsal foot into a shoe designed by and for folks with long 1st metatarsal feet.

(and, of course, they weren't constantly exposed to flat hard surfaces, which I still swear are the bane of ALL modern tootsies)

Morton's foot isn't just a longer 2nd metatarsal, it's also a differently shaped cuboid bone so the foot really does move a little differently. It's also a longer foot, so it's easy to develop hammer-toe because of shoes that are too short in the toe box.

VFF are enough like barefoot that I'd think they'd let your foot do its natural thing, unhampered by shoes designed for a different kind of foot. I'd just suggest you start your VFF running on dirt trails or grassy fields so your foot muscles have a chance to wake up and gain the strength to support your mets properly before you start running on hard flat surfaces.

Knot-doesn't-have-Morton's-foot (but does have dropped 2nd met head)

I agree with you that it's not really the foot that's the problem, it's the shoes and the fact that they just don't fit that foot shape well. Maybe some shoe company needs to design shoes around that foot configuration...or better yet there should be more flat, flexible, soft shoes that don't restrict the foot (and look acceptable for professional settings etc.) since that would be good for everyone, not just those who happen to have Morton's foot. The VFFs should be good, provided they fit you. Not sure what we can do about the hard flat surfaces--they're certainly not the healthiest thing for us but I don't think there's any getting around them.

[OakLeaf]

So is there a stretch I can do to get my first met on the ground? I can't even really do it passively. I quit going barefoot because it was so painful - not the other way around.

[zia]

I wouldn't think you'd need to pad the 1st met head in a pair of VFFs.

Don't forget, "Morton's Foot" is a perfectly functional foot. Entire civilizations had "Morton's Feet" (Greeks, Celts) and they were vibrant powerful cultures. They weren't hobbling around on crippled feet.

What they had were shoes made for THEIR kind of foot. (or sandals/soft shoes) Morton's foot only becomes an issue when you try to cram a long 2nd metatarsal foot into a shoe designed by and for folks with long 1st metatarsal feet.

(and, of course, they weren't constantly exposed to flat hard surfaces, which I still swear are the bane of ALL modern tootsies)

One of my readings -- which I of course can't find now -- indicated that the prevalence of Morton's Foot had increased dramatically over the past several hundred years. It used to just be 5% of the population, but now it's 25%. In another time, I would have been the one left at the hearth, sewing... or starving.

I'm with you, OakLeaf. Running barefoot is painful. I feel like I am on the brink of a catastrophic injury when barefoot. I love the idea, but I'm not sold on it for my particular foot type. Yet. (Even though I want to be!)

[Bike Chick]

Well this post has been an epiphany! I was diagnosed with a stress fracture a couple weeks ago and the dr described the foot condition to me without calling it Morton's foot. After reading all the posts and checking out the links, this describes my problem to a tee. I bought some moleskin and placed 4 layers under my first metatarcel bone and OH MY GOODNESS what a difference it made! I can walk without pain for the first time in weeks. Forget about walking barefoot anywhere or anyplace because I hobble like an old woman. I still have a copy of my xrays and when I took a look, my second metatarcel bone is a good inch longer than my first.

I have suffered so on the bike with a hot foot on my right foot. I've changed pedals, bought 3 different pair of shoes, then it just got worse when I started running again resulting in a stress fracture. I'm realizing now maybe there's some hope.

Zia and Oakleaf, do you ride with clipless pedals and has it been much of a problem on the bike?

[KnottedYet]

One of my readings -- which I of course can't find now -- indicated that the prevalence of Morton's Foot had increased dramatically over the past several hundred years. It used to just be 5% of the population, but now it's 25%.

I have a big issue with their statistics and sample populations. (never mind the impossibility of that kind of dramatic genetic change in so few generations!!!!)

If you look at the British Isles, the incidence of Morton's Foot has decreased dramatically over history; as the Celts were overwhelmed by the Anglo-Saxons. (from 100% to whatever it is today)

Morton's Foot is like blonde hair. The incidence of blonde hair has dramatically increased in the Americas in the past several hundred years. And not because people were spontaneously mutating!

[JennK13]

Morton's foot and Morton's neuroma are two different things. Just named after the same doctor.

My husband has Morton's neuroma in his right foot. It seems to have started after he broke his leg 4 years ago in a motorcycle accident. It broke just above the ankle, and they did surgery to put a plate in his leg to hold it together. In the process they pinched a nerve which has since "died" (he has no feeling on the TOP of his foot).
Due to the ankle pain he had while the nerve was dieing, his gait was changed due to limping, and he developed the neuroma. I got sick of his moaning and complaining and told him to go to the doctor or shut up. Our primary care told him he had Gout. I mentioned his pain to my chiro and scheduled an appointment for him. She worked on his foot to "break up" the neuroma. He said he was ready to kick her in the head it hurt so bad and made him cry (he's 6ft, 210lbs)!!! But it felt good after. He goes in every 3-4 weeks and she works that foot to break up the scar tissue, and it's been very successful for him with the pain diminishing with each session. It's been about 4 months now, and he's almost pain free - no shots, no surgery.