Quote Originally Posted by ny biker View Post
what about people who ride in small circles while at a red light and consider that "stopped"?
They're obeying the traffic control device as long as they aren't entering the intersection. There's no law against timing red lights - motorists do it all the time. But "riding in small circles," besides just being super dangerous and stupid, is at least an illegal U-turn and likely a marked lanes violation too.

As for a track stand, obviously the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove you didn't stop, but as a practical matter, if a cop doesn't see you coming to a complete stop, you should get a ticket. Who wants to waste a day in court because they didn't want to unclip?

Let's not re-hash the same discussion we've had a million times about whether California stops are safer than full stops and ought to be legal for all two-wheelers. Yakking about it here doesn't make it any more legal - go to your state's bicycle advocacy coalition or DOT bicycle safety director if you want to change things.