Oh, I forgot to mention I did find the exact bag the OYB guy is selling at $40ish for $14 here I got one and it's really nice- just need to add a couple straps to hook it the the saddle rails or handlebars and it's already got a strap that can go around the seatpost/headtube. Mine didn't look used at all- more like NOS. That's why I'm perusing what they have for panniers.