How much do looks define your self-image?

[shootingstar]

Grayson, you already have found the words of what to say to your niece one day.

Perhaps one day your niece if she does have it, will also ride with you and gain that strength from you.

Without question, just basic things that define female vs. male bodies, do form our self-image ..for the rest of our lives. It determines how people treat us, female vs. male.

The loss of a breast is probably another clear example...though I haven't experienced this yet..and hope not to. But far worse things could happen.

In my teens and another sister, we both had severe acne...enough that it warranted prescription drugs..pills, lotions and careful selection of certain soaps. This was one of the reasons why I was so glad to earn money part-time and get my long hair cut off. It was healthier for my skin. Recently I looked some old photos of self in teen years..those years of self-consciousness, were like muffled years lost under that angst over what...how I looked as a growing young woman. Thankfully my parents did emphasize that we work on ramping up our brains to make it through school instead of making us feel less on other things.

Looking back though, they did sense how important how we personally might feel about positive self-image. They never compared/commented on their children against one another in terms of physical looks. (or at least, I never heard it.) Amazingly 2 of my siblings had teeth braces..and my father's restaurant employer didn't offer any medical benefits whatsoever. So this was the sacrifice...that they made. None of these siblings went whining to my parents to ask for the orthodontic treatment.

I shake my head in amazement, looking back..

[smilingcat]

I'm sorry but decided to delete my post. Just not comfortable sorta like airing dirty laundry.

[Aggie_Ama]

I'm sorry but decided to delete my post. Just not comfortable sorta like airing dirty laundry.

[Biciclista]

the older I get, the less my looks have to do with my self image.
I tell you what, it's a wonderful freedom!

when I was thirteen i used to stare in the mirror at my nose, convinced I looked like a troll and no boy would EVER like me!

[GLC1968]

I 100% agree with Sarah's post about appearance and 'hotness'. When I was in my 20's I had a girlfriend whom guys would fall all over themselves to talk to or date her. I once showed a photo of her to some of my guy friends (and my brother) and they didn't get it. They said she was cute, but certainly nothing special...until they met her in person. 20 minutes later, they too were in awe. It's not about looks...it's about attitude and how a person carries themselves and how they interact with others. Many women learn this later in life and therefore become hot at 30, 40, 50 or 60. Some never learn it.

Case in point: me. I am not hot. I never have been and probably never will be, but it has little to do with how I look and everything to do with how I feel about myself. I don't know how to be sexy. Even my husband teases me about it. I don't know how to learn and at this point, I think I'm too old to bother. I have all the confidence in the world when it comes to my abilities, my brain, my inner strength, etc...but physically? Yeah, that's a huge short-coming for me and it always has been. And outside of being a little more overweight than I was in my 20's - I pretty much look exactly the same. In fact, due to some necessary surgery, my smile is even better than it was back then. If I was hot at 21, I'd still be hot now at 41. Too bad I'm not.

[indysteel]

I 100% agree with Sarah's post about appearance and 'hotness'. When I was in my 20's I had a girlfriend whom guys would fall all over themselves to talk to or date her. I once showed a photo of her to some of my guy friends (and my brother) and they didn't get it. They said she was cute, but certainly nothing special...until they met her in person. 20 minutes later, they too were in awe. It's not about looks...it's about attitude and how a person carries themselves and how they interact with others.

I had a friend like that in college, too. There was just something about her. She was pretty, but people's reaction to went beyond that.

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Wow, a lot of insightful, and beautiful, input on this thread. What an inspiration to read all this!

I guess we ALL struggle with wanting to feel beautiful or attractive both inside and outside, I am not immune to sometimes feeling physically unappealing in various ways either.
But my mother (who died 2 years ago) unfortunately led her life imprisoned by a sense of the all-important physical appearance. She was a great natural beauty. And yet, despite being born more 'beautiful' than 99.9% of other women, she constantly worried and fretted about her appearance and whether others would think she was physically beautiful- it deeply affected her whole life in various sad ways. Because her appearance was the most important aspect in how she felt about herself, she naturally thought that others felt the very same way in how they perceived her.
I suspect she would have successfully instilled the very same attitude in me if she weren't usually too busy fussing over her appearance to take the time to 'train' me.
The only good part of all this was that I was able to see in her life the consequences of this obsession about looks, and thus watch for the danger signs in myself.

[shootingstar]

Hey, Grog had no idea about the tv episodes. How interesting.

Zen, where did you get that tiara?
Speaking of which, one of my closest female friends for about 20 years, before she and I naturally parted ways, was in a Miss Canada beauty pageant. (Yea, it's true, some of the snippy stuff backstage. Waste of time.) Long after that event (which she didn't win and didn't care to because she was caught up in her university studies), she was with a bunch research colleagues in a downtown teaching hospital in Toronto where she did her work. There was a parade outside which included a Miss Canada regally in some car/float.... Her research colleagues hooted and mocked, made minor jokes.

She absolutely dared not to reveal that she was in the pageant once upon a time. She really wanted to do well on her pharmacology thesis based on her brainpower and work.

She also had 2 older sisters who were genuinely nice individuals...and they did each do part-time modelling. Last I heard one of them died of breast cancer recently.

In some sort of curious way, I would be interested in knowing/meeting her daughters..if they took upon their mother's need to constantly look good. One of them would be same age as my niece....a great young woman (can't you tell I'm a proud aunt?), whom I've never seen wear makeup at any dressy party event so far. I'm glad...no reason..she's with family.

Same for my partner's daughter. I'm secretly glad she drags in to visit us, looking dishevelled at times, but bohemian chic. I've only seen her wear makeup once after all these years. As soon my partner told me she was exploring feminist theories etc. when she was 16, I thought: GOOD!!!!! that's when eureka starts. Hopefully.