Passing out BUT not from pain when therapist moves my left arm a certain way.

[TrekJeni]

I used to pass out all the time. I had tons of tests, glucose tolerance, wearing one of those portable heart monitors...

Never got a diagnosis. But I now have an opinion. I was thin and in good condition with rather low BP. I think if my BP dropped, I dropped with it. This is something that is easy to check. I wonder if the massage relaxes you so much your BP drops.

My doctor is leaning towards your opinion. I've never had any massages before and he's thinking that the massage on a slightly aggravated shoulder coupled with my already athletically low heart rate and BP it triggers the vagal response and shuts me down.

My doctor and I have a great relationship. I had just seen him last week for my 6 month check up and everything was good. We even talked about PT for my shoulder. On a scale of 1 - 10 for pain, it's never above a 1.5; it's just "there". He listened to my vitals again and then did an EKG. Everything's perfect. Not that he was surprised.

He laughed and told me that his son - a cross country runner - in tip top condition has a vagal response to the word "shot" as in "let's go get a flu shot". His son has to sit down to avoid passing out.

Thanks for your concern everyone but again, this shoulder issue has nagged me since last December and I tried very hard to replicate the situation by myself last night sitting on the couch but no go. I'm sure I'll be okay during the race as my BP is no where close to being low when I'm racin! Besides, for the 2008 season, I've got more than 20 races (road, mtb and cross) under my belt and have never even felt close to passing out.

Every day the body marvels me more and more!

Streamers Jeni

On top of that - yesterday morning was our Wellness Check Up at work where they were offering free health screenings. My cholesterol, HDL, LDL, and all that other good stuff was right on track.

[bmccasland]

Jeni,
Glad to hear that your Doc isn't too concerned. I think most of us assumed it as a positional thing - as in put your arm in a certain position, and you hit the deck. Which got us collectively worried. A vaso-vagal reponse wasn't first on my mind.

Don't forget to let us know how the race goes!

[Tokie]

DH has "thoracic outlet syndrome"(diagnosed by his MD) - when he reaches up to the bar on the weight machine for the Lat pull down machine - he gets very dizzy and starts to black out. He can't do the lat pull down machine because of this! Is the position your arm was in similar to doing a lat pull down? Might be interesting to google thoracic outlet syndrome and see if it matches your situation. Tokie

[beccaB]

DH has "thoracic outlet syndrome"(diagnosed by his MD) - when he reaches up to the bar on the weight machine for the Lat pull down machine - he gets very dizzy and starts to black out. He can't do the lat pull down machine because of this! Is the position your arm was in similar to doing a lat pull down? Might be interesting to google thoracic outlet syndrome and see if it matches your situation. Tokie

That makes sense-I looked it up in wikipedia. My husband is a mechanic and has issues with having his arms extended over his head, but has to do it anyway. According to Wikipedia, musicians who play instruments get it too, but to a lesser extent. I've played the flute for more than 30 years!

[Mr. Bloom]

Now darnit! We just talked on Saturday and you mentioned nothing about this! Silver now works for a chiropractor and she'll mention it to him. It's a good thing that you're in such good shape or I'd be worried for you.

Did this affect your competition on Saturday? How'd you do?