I used to love those PI Sugars. That sent me in a whole blab about spin class shorts one thread. That new chamois is just gross. FWIW, the Terry club short has a thin single piece polar fleece chamois "similiar" to the old Sugar. But not exact. I ALSO had the same hissy cow about my PI ultrasensors... I started having issues like a seam. The color of the chamois was different... so something in that lovely upgrade *bleah* must have changed. Now, I'm back to the drawing board with some more things on order.

Also, besides the Terry club short... I did not like the chamois on the Terry shorts, or the fabric. I think part of the deal for me is the sitz bone width. I've started measuring my chamois points, just like saddles. My dress maker tape measure is always out in action. OK, so they get a "puff" pad in one section of the short... but if your sitz bone is not on that "puff" exactly, so what... a waste, that's what.

The Terry shorts fabric I tried sorta reminds me of 70's grainy poly leisure suits. The club short seems a lil bit less grain... or maybe it's that I wear it an hour for spin class, vs a long road ride.