I've had it!

**sundial** · 09-29-2008, 10:43 AM

Maybe you can sell them on TE.

**Zen** · 09-29-2008, 10:46 AM

I just opened a package from TE containing PI Sugar Knickers.

When I saw that chamois i just about died. IT'S GIGANTIC!!!!

Back they go

**sundial** · 09-29-2008, 10:50 AM

Zen, get the 3-D Pro chamois. Not too thick and really wicks the moisture. I have it in my bibs. I'm going to order me another PI with this chamois.

**berkeley** · 09-29-2008, 03:36 PM

I swore PI's 3d elite was bigger than it used to be! I have an older pair of the ultrasensors, which has the 3d elite - and I love them, but when I went to the store to get another pair the chamois seemed ginormous.

I will say that the sugar knickers (with the 3d tour) are also HUGE, but felt fine on the bike.

**Zen** · 09-29-2008, 05:44 PM

I don't know what I was thinking when I ordered them. I'll just take unlined and wear tri shorts under them.

**Miranda** · 09-29-2008, 07:56 PM

I used to love those PI Sugars. That sent me in a whole blab about spin class shorts one thread. That new chamois is just gross. FWIW, the Terry club short has a thin single piece polar fleece chamois "similiar" to the old Sugar. But not exact. I ALSO had the same hissy cow about my PI ultrasensors... I started having issues like a seam. The color of the chamois was different... so something in that lovely upgrade *bleah* must have changed. Now, I'm back to the drawing board with some more things on order.

Also, besides the Terry club short... I did not like the chamois on the Terry shorts, or the fabric. I think part of the deal for me is the sitz bone width. I've started measuring my chamois points, just like saddles. My dress maker tape measure is always out in action. OK, so they get a "puff" pad in one section of the short... but if your sitz bone is not on that "puff" exactly, so what... a waste, that's what.

The Terry shorts fabric I tried sorta reminds me of 70's grainy poly leisure suits. The club short seems a lil bit less grain... or maybe it's that I wear it an hour for spin class, vs a long road ride.

**Crankin** · 09-29-2008, 09:47 PM

Miranda, are you talking about the Terry Bellas? Or the regular T shorts? I love the Bellas. Yes, the fabric is shiny, but it's tight and full of lycra. The more lycra the better for me.
Chamois is so individual. I could never go back to wearing the thin, one dimensional chamois of the old Terry shorts. My bum actually hurts if I wear shorts like that now. On the other hand, I have a pair of Shebeest with a very similar chamois to the Bellas. But, it's just a bit thicker. The first few times I wore them, ow! Especially when I wore them to spin class and the saddle there was well, not good with those shorts. It took washing them about 5-6 times to wear them down. Now I save those for long, hot rides.