I also had painful situation with terry knickers today. I generally love them, and find them to be the most comfortable bottoms I have, but I just bought a new pair, and I got a small because the lbs I went to was out of mediums. When I tried them on in the store, they seemed to fit just fine. Well, not so on the bike. The whole ride I couldn't stop thinking about them, not in a good way. I think since I wore them it's too late to return them. $80 down the drain