Ok, here is a change in conversation but what about Vino today? Did it just not completely piss you off that he came from behind, broke out in the front, only to have Kloden and Ullrich chase him down? Vino says the only other team he'd ride for is Discovery and I'm saying, "leave the dark side Vino!" I hope that he joins Discovery this winter. He would be a wonderful asset on the team. T-Mobile has too many chiefs and not enough indians.