OK, picture shopping....

Shebeest Ultra D
http://www.teamestrogen.com/images/p...etch07_xlg.jpg

Terry T-Short
http://www.teamestrogen.com/images/p...lexair_xlg.jpg


Oh, and Jenrod...sigh...and shorts manufacturers like to "update" their chamios. Pearl Izumi's attack shorts used to have a nice wide thinner chamois, but now it comes with a narrower, thicker (13mm) chamois.

Lisa--does that look like your chamois?