Seeking Bike Fit Help

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

What I'm wondering is, if from a side view of someone riding a bike, the space where the knees come up on the top of the stroke, do the knees overlap space with the elbows while in the drops

I don't think my thighs necessarily hit my chest but....I'll have to check I think it's awfully close.

Maybe I am all wet, but I can't even imagine being so bent over that my thighs would be hitting my chest when I ride. Is that what racers do? What are your riding goals and what is your riding style?

[Veronica]

Don't feel like you have to only ride on the hoods or in the drops. You can ride with your hands on the bar and you can get to your brakes in an emergency. Being able to change your hand position gives you options on a longer ride.

Here's my position when I'm in the drops. The GPS says 37 mph. This was our ride around Crater Lake, so I was more interested in the scenery than in going fast, hence no aero tuck.

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[Ana]

Don't feel like you have to only ride on the hoods or in the drops. You can ride with your hands on the bar and you can get to your brakes in an emergency. Being able to change your hand position gives you options on a longer ride.

Here's my position when I'm in the drops. The GPS says 37 mph. This was our ride around Crater Lake, so I was more interested in the scenery than in going fast, hence no aero tuck.

V.

Veronica,

Your picture was so helpful! I tried to look for pics of pros in the drops too but could hardly find any! The best I found was bike fitting videos on youtube but they didn't really go over drops position either

You look like you have a LOT more room than I do in the drops....The funny thing is that I went in initially to have my stem SHORTENED because of back/neck pain (and I felt too stretched out onto my handlebars) but maybe it was the wrong adjustment... Hm, I'm a bit confused now. I wonder if my frame is the right size....

[VeloVT]

Lisa, I don't think anyone meant to imply that her knees *should* be hitting her chest .

As I said above, *imo* (which, in combination with $3 or so, will just about buy a tall cappucino at Starbucks ) if your knees hit your chest it's a sign that something's wrong -- probably at least one of the problems being that the bars need to come up. If it just happens when you're in the drops, it could also indicate that you might benefit from a slightly longer stem (and possibly a longer stem with more rise, or a longer stem + spacers).

I don't know what the pros do, but I doubt they ride that low because it compromises efficiency. Having been on bikes that put me in that position, it's just not comfortable and it prevents you from getting the most out of your pedalling. BUT -- you may have knee/elbow overlap in the drops even if the bike fits well.

[Kathi]

I was curious about this so I got on my trainer to see where my knees hit in relation to my arms.

I dropped my elbow low enough that it hit my knee. My elbow hits exactly in the center of my knee right above my knee cap.

I'm quessing that there is 2-3" of space between my thigh and elbow when the pedal is in the 12:00 position.

Starfish, no my bars are not significantly narrower than my shoulders. My shoulders were measured at 34cm.

I use Campy Record and got the Modolo Venus handlebars. They are a dream come true for me because they come in a 34 cm and the drop is designed to bring the reach of the brakes closer so I can reach them with my small hands.

[Kathi]

I don't ride in my drops all the time either but when I'm on a downhill I do brake from my drops. Maybe it's because of my small hands but I have more braking power from the drops than the hoods.

Since I've been using my drops on downhills I've noticed the number of riders, men and women, who do not use their drops. One friend of mine says she feels insecure but I've found that I feel more in control and secure on downhills when I'm in my drops, even on short downhills.

[lph]

I'll definitely be nagging my bike shop about this now, come spring and road riding. My thighs hit my chest at the drop of a ... helmet (and believe me, it's not because of my voluptuous bosom ), either when I ride in the drops, or when I ride where most comfortable out at the very front of the hoods and tuck in to minimize drag. I sit like Veronica here when I have my hands on the hoods! I think I need to:
a) lengthen my stem
b) tilt it up
c) check out shallower and maybe narrower handlebars, as I really have trouble reaching the brakes in the drops, and don't mind keeping my hands closer on the top.
I have a lot of knee/elbow overlap, and it doesn't bother me. Maybe it would with narrower handlebars, though?

[Kathi]

Although I'm not in my drops here is a picture of me on my Serotta shortly after I got it. The picture is the last post in the thread. http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showt...t=19474&page=2

My other thought is that the width of your shoulders will determine where your arms and knees will align.

[Ana]

I wonder if I'm just not as flexible as you are because I have a hard time bending over that far, especially since I"m not an aggressive rider.

[Veronica]

Are you talking about my picture or Kathi's picture?

I don't think I'm bent over that far at all. My saddle and my handlebars are at about the same height, so that when I do go into the drops, I am not bent that far over.

I just did my yoga workout, so I know I can bend a lot further than that.

V.

[GLC1968]

Ana -

The way you describe your body is exactly how I would describe mine (short but with a long torso, short legs, small hands (and I also have short arms). I'm 5'4" and I ride a 19" terry (48.5 cm)...so we are quite similar. My bars are the same width as yours, my cranks are the same length and my saddle and bars are at the same height as each other. My guess is that your stem is probably too short. When I had my bike professionally fitted (a 3+ hour procedure), she lengthened my stem and lowered it. I was concerned about comfort being less upright than I thought I should be, but with a little core strengthening, I was fine. (and I mean 'little'...it didn't take much!). What I got out of the deal was WAY more comfort on the bike overall. My back, neck, shoulders, elbows and hips felt better not only while I was riding, but better once I got off the bike even after a 6+ hour ride. I also greatly increased my power, so I *finally* was able to keep up with my fellow riders in the flats (where they always used to drop me). This was just a bonus, too...I was mostly being fit for increased comfort.

I basically only use my drops in a descent (in the picture in my avatar) or in a flat when I'm trying to hang on to the 'big boys'. Most of the time, I ride on the hoods. As you can see, I'm not all that bent over and my knees do not hit my elbows. If I were to crouch lower (trying to pick up speed, perhaps), my elbows do need to go to the outside of my knees...but it feels natural, not like I have to think about it or anything.

When you are on your bike (maybe on a trainer) have someone check to see (or use a mirror) if the angle between your upper arms and torso is about 45 degrees. If it's less, you are probably too upright for effecient pedaling and joint comfort given the geometry of your bike.

Disclaimer - I'm no fit expert...I'm just speaking from my own experience of being a shorty with a tough body to fit on a stock bike!