"draining fluid from your legs"

[SouthernBelle]

I've been using my grandmother's rolling pin for a while now. I have my mother's for baking situations.

[Zen]

Baking situations?
That's usually how it turns out when I try it too.

[Dianyla]

Baking situations?
That's usually how it turns out when I try it too.

Bwahahah!

Cooking is an art, baking is a science.

[Starfish]

I've been using my grandmother's rolling pin for a while now. I have my mother's for baking situations.

Baking situations?
That's usually how it turns out when I try it too.

LOL, isn't it always the grandmas who bake the perfect stuff? Maybe use your mother's for the lymph goo; maybe using your grandmother's will change the "situations" to actual baked goods!

[SouthernBelle]

actually I can make a decent biscuit from scratch. But bisquick is easier.

[Flybye]

So, If I do a handstand in the pool while rubbing my legs with granny's rolling pin, I should never have goo filled legs that hurt?

try explaining that one to the neighbors................

[Starfish]

So, If I do a handstand in the pool while rubbing my legs with granny's rolling pin, I should never have goo filled legs that hurt?

Girl, if you can actually do that, the world is your oyster.

[aicabsolut]

Lactic acid buildup is a myth.

The length of the workout is pretty irrelevant to the issue of edema. It really depends on how hard you were working. The more strength involved (sprint intervals, lots of climbing, big gear tempo rides, etc.), the more likely there will be some feeling of leg swelling and fluid retention, at least in my experience, but it can also happen whenever my legs get really fatigued, when the muscles are tight and I'm not diligent about massage, or when I'm overtraining.

Self-massage (no rolling pin necessary) helps a lot, especially with cooling muscle rubs. Even better, get a professional massage to really get at the harder to reach hams and glutes.

[cyclechick2008]

I totally agree to the lactic acid is a myth!!!!!!!!!!

Lactic acid is only present for about 45 seconds as you first start riding. After that you are in aerobic mode. You would have to be going superfast up supermountains to have a lot of lactic acid. Soreness is microscopic tears in the muscle tissue from overuse. That is how bodybuilders "bulk up". They make those tears in the muscle and as it heals they get bigger. Of course eating helps....

Kim

[Zen]

"The understanding now is that muscle cells convert glucose or glycogen to lactic acid. The lactic acid is taken up and used as a fuel by mitochondria, the energy factories in muscle cells.

Mitochondria even have a special transporter protein to move the substance into them, Dr. Brooks found. Intense training makes a difference, he said, because it can make double the mitochondrial mass. "

From a NY Times article by Gina Kolata

[aicabsolut]

Exactly. It is fuel.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness.p...ctic_frederick

[OakLeaf]

Wait, so LT training is a myth, too??? I understand how lactic acid is re-converted into fuel, but I thought there was still a consensus that the lactate threshold is real and not limited to "going superfast up supermountains" (for one thing, that characterization is an externalized one that suggests that different people don't have different levels of aerobic conditioning and only the most highly conditioned athletes can approach their LT)?

I don't really have the biochem background to completely understand this stuff, but I've been following the news stories with interest. Last I did any searches on delayed-onset muscle soreness (a year or two ago) there really wasn't a consensus about what causes it. Sure, it makes sense that overloading the muscles in eccentric contraction would create micro-tears, which would in turn cause soreness and eventual hypertrophy. But I'm not sure how repetitive motion under a light load would tear a muscle, or why doing it for four hours would tear it any more or less than doing it for one hour. (in the same way that it doesn't create microfractures in a bone - you can cycle all day and not increase your bone density, e.g., and you can spin all day and increase your muscle tone but not muscle size)

(and by "spinning" I mean the common meaning not the trademarked one - i.e. high RPM low load)

[aicabsolut]

I don't think that's what the article was saying.

Lactate is: 1) a valuable energy source within working muscle, non-working muscle, and the heart, 2) quantitatively the most important contributor to the making of glucose in the liver, and 3) subject to training- induced improvements in its use as a fuel.

I think LT training is important because there would be a point at which you are no longer efficiently using it as fuel.

The ability to use lactate as fuel, particularly within the muscle itself, varies with the trained characteristics of aerobic muscle fibers, specifically via endurance training[5].

So I think LT training is a separate animal from saying that too much lactic acid leads to soreness. The way I understand it is that soreness is related to the amount of stress put on the muscles and hydration and recovery.

[cyclechick2008]

I think that for me to work on my Lactic acid threshhold I could conceivably get to or over my MHR. So much cycling training is done at 70% MHR. This is a range for most people where they build up their efficiency of aerobic exercise. that's why it is important to do the build a base workouts when you start. It helps the mitochondria become more efficient at their job.

I know in running, Lactic Threshold is a different animal or so I"m told by some runner friends.

Kim

[Zen]

that's why it is important to do the build a base workouts when you start. It helps the mitochondria become more efficient at their job.

As far as I know (which isn't very far) lactose fermentation involves the number of mitochondria (mitochondrial mass) increasing with training, not an individual mitochondria becoming more efficient.