Touring Bikes?? Can 2 people even own 7 bikes?

[Torrilin]

My partner and I have been talking about doing some touring. Mostly "ride to local state park and camp" sorts of things. Crazyguyonabike is very helpful. Lots of equipment lists, reviews, "what would I do differently" articles. Tour diaries can also help. Most people there feel disc brakes on a tourer are a bad idea, for a laundry list of structural and engineering reasons. The short version is "they break. a lot."

We want to start small, because it will be easier on the budget *and* on us. Plus, then we can start doing lots of short trips on weekends and get out more. And short trips means we can combine biking and hiking. He likes bikes, but thinks camping and hiking are more fun. I like hiking and camping fine, but like bikes a bit more. Compromise! (well that and we both think more excuses for fire and peach cobbler are win/win propositions)

Since you already *have* lots of bikes, take a look and see if you've got one that will take a rack. Add a trailer for your dog, pick a date and go for a minivacation. A 20-50 mile jaunt with an overnight in a motel or at a local state park should help shake some of the kinks out of your gear. Next time, go a bit further, and fix anything that didn't go so well. If you discover you need a touring bike, the Trek one gets good reviews. But for testing the waters you probably don't need it . Trailer and panniers first.

[Trek420]

I thought it was when I have to start using toes...

Does that mean only men can have more bikes than fingers and toes?

[nicole309]

Check out what the Keweenaw Adventure Company in Copper Harbor and see what they will be selling at the end of the season. I used to work there, so I know the bikes are well taken care of and can be a really good deal.
Hey, does that crazy shoe guy still work at Cross Country Sports? I remember many time wanting to buy stuff from them, but never being able to get the conversation to go beyond my used tennis shoes and always walking out frustrated. It was funny in a way I suppose.

[Pedal Wench]

Does that mean only men can have more bikes than fingers and toes?

Got two more counting devices you've missed!

[Aggie_Ama]

We were discussing why everyone doesn't understand that we aren't financially ready to start a family.... I pointed out they would never understand why one of the costs we have discussed is bikes to pull a Burley trailer and those little tot helmets. We are at 4 bikes right now, but I am itching to expand the fleet (and not with a baby hauler).

Sorry for the threadjack....

[Trek420]

.... I pointed out they would never understand why one of the costs we have discussed is bikes to pull a Burley trailer and those little tot helmets. We are at 4 bikes right now, but I am itching to expand the fleet (and not with a baby hauler).

Sorry for the threadjack....

Not to mention the adorable childrens jerseys. Do they make baby Sidis? Kids could get expensive

[Skierchickie]

Wow - so much good stuff!

I really like the dog trailer idea, although we would have to think about the heat, comfort, etc. She'd rather run than anything, so we'd have to have routes where we could find dirt roads with no traffic once in a while, so she could run a little - maybe we could get her used to running on the leash, alongside, for short, safe stretches - she just wants to bolt full speed for a while, though - no fun on a leash for at least a mile or two. I freak whenever we're close to a road with her, so DH is dubious about my ability to let go. He's right, of course. Another strike against the whole touring idea, in his mind (and I am a mind reader, after all).

I did look at the Rivendell site, and while they sound just wonderful, they all seem pretty far out of my $$$ target range. It/they would spend most of their lives in the garage, which seems unfair for something so nice. Good thing I've never seen one in person!

I looked at the Kona online, and was pretty interested, but read some reviews that concerned me. Mainly, a couple of people said that the front wheel would hit their foot when they turned. Not sure what model year - maybe that isn't an issue anymore. I do have huge clown feet for my height (well, maybe not that bad).

I had read the reviews here about the Surly - sounds too perfect! Never had seen a price, and assumed it would be too much, and assumed I'd have to drive 500 miles to find one. I had no idea my Trek dealer could get one! And it looks like the price is right. Thanks for the info, Knot! I do wish I could see/ride one.

Most of the reviews I've seen so far were for the Trek 520 (and I had the price confused with the Kona - MSRP is $1240, not $1500), and it seems to be very popular. As with anything, there are a few people who had a problem and flamed it (much like the Kona).

Just too many choices, and none of them available to ride! I suppose at this point the two front-runners would be the Surly and the Trek, with the Kona in there close behind (interesting about the issues with disc brakes - I thought they'd be a must for rainy conditions, mountains, etc.). How about the Jamis Aurora? Seems like a popular one - is it sturdy enough/good enough components?

By the way, when I said seven bikes, I did mean that if we both bought a touring bike, we'd have seven. I just have two, myself. Hardly seems like enough, after reading some of your posts! Neither of us has one suitable for loading/touring for practice. We each have a 5200 (road/racing), a mountain bike (mine is fully suspended and his is a soft-tail, so not quite the ticket for heavy loads), and he has a TT bike (no way! ). Anyhoo, we both love biking, hiking, nature, camping.... While I've never bike toured, we did do a 7-day backpacking trip in Alaska (and how is that pertinent, you may ask? I dunno.). I'm pretty confident that I'd like it (although car camping is not my favorite, and I figure we wouldn't be able to get too far off the beaten path, like if we were hiking).

And, finally, DH just isn't sounding interested. Not to the point of refusing, but I think he's getting sick of me harping about it. I said maybe just I could get a bike and try it, and my friend could probably be persuaded to go with me, occasionally. However, honestly, I can't see myself going touring and camping alone, so I reeeaallly want him to jump on board. I'm alternating between being excited and feeling all dejected. I'm all about instant gratification, too, so I want to find a bike, order it, and start riding it. Then, after a week or so, it would probably be hanging in the garage, pushed aside for all the other, easier to utilize toys.

Thanks, guys! Next issue: sizing! I'm totally lost.

[Skierchickie]

Hi Nicole,

Ah yes - the shoes! Nope - Matt got his degree in elementary education, and has been teaching on a tiny little Island off Alaska for a couple of years. My DH did see him recently, out riding - he comes back here in the summers, but I haven't seen him in the shop. The shoe thing was pretty odd - I always refused to give him any, and eventually he gave up on me. DH would sometimes produce a pair, which just kept it going.

The shop has really changed - still really relaxed and laid back, but, dare I say, far more efficient than before? My favorite thing is stopping in and yakkin' with the owner. I've been buying all my toys there since 1984 (geeze, I'm old!), in spite of the occasional frustration. They've opened a second shop, too, in Houghton. A couple of the guys who worked there in college have stayed on, and run the new place.

[anakiwa]

It sounds like a touring bike would be a great addition to your stable

I own a 1991 Trek 520. It went across the country (fully loaded with me on it) in the summer of 1991. I think it's a great bike- I can't comment on the current componentry (I'm sure it's changed) but the bike I have has held up remarkably well over the years (it's needed the obvious things- tune ups, new tires, chain etc but is in great shape despite several years of near complete neglect).

I still ride this bike regularly (in fact I rode it this morning). Nowadays it's used more as a commuter and for riding on dirt roads (it's got a lot more speed and climbs so much better than my mountain mike, but it's still a lot more stable on the dirt than my road bike would be).

As far as fit goes- for me the touring bike is a little different from my road bike. A few years ago I had a road bike fitting done and discovered that most of the non-WSD bikes have top tubes that are too long for me. I changed the stem and seat-post on the Trek to shorten the reach and it's quite comfy now. Even though the distance between the seat and the handlebars is still farther than my road bike numbers, it still seems to work (I think the fact that the handlebars are not as low means that I can get away with the fact that they're a little further forward). So I don't really know much about how you're supposed to fit a touring bike- but for me handlebars a little higher and further forward than on my road bike seems to work. (I'm pretty sure Trek doesn't make the 520 in WSD sizes- if you have WSD type proportions you'll probably want to consider a different stem and seatpost to shorten the reach if you decide on this bike).

I know what you mean about getting an idea in your head and then not wanting to let it go- I probably drive people crazy when I get on a new idea.

Good luck!

[Torrilin]

We-ell... The *other* good thing about a touring bike is it makes a great commuter bike. And a great utility bike. So if your husband doesn't want to go on tours with you, a touring bike for you could still be a good addition. Getting groceries by bike is fun . So is commuting. The extra stability would probably make it a good "walk the dog by bike" platform too. There are some tools out there for walking dogs with a bike.

Note that some cyclocross bikes can work as touring bikes (mostly the steel ones). The geometry isn't as good for heavy loads, but the two styles of bike seem quite similar.

Can't really tell you much about fit on 'em. I've got gorilla arms, a long torso and short legs, so standard bikes fit me fine.

[RoadRaven]

There are 6 of us in this house...

My partner - 4
Son #1 - 4
Son #2 - 3
Son #3 - 2
Son #4 - 1
Me - 2

+ 3 mountain bikes and 3 sundry bikes for general use...

My daughter also has 1 bike, but she has moved away

(break down includes: 4 Cervelo, 3 EMC2, 6 Giant, 2 Scorpio, 3 Avanti, 1 Raleigh - the others are genericly branded bikes)

So... my answer to your question... if two people can have seven bikes??? It seems rather limiting to me... I would say... AT LEAST...

[Skierchickie]

Well, I called the lbs to get prices on the Trek 520, Surly LHT, & Kona Sutra. In his research Mr Lbs found that both the Trek and the Surly are sold out in my size for the year. I'm still not as keen on the Kona, although it is still in the running. So I will probably end up waiting until next year (my instant gratification addiction has been denied! ).

On the bright side, my lbs has a price of $999 for the Trek (MSRP=$1239, per the Trek website), the Kona would be ~$1200 (MSRP $1499), and the Surly "much less", per the owner (didn't get the actual amount, as he was looking at the availability at the time, and there was nothing close to my size).

My next step is to go and look at the 21" Trek that he has there, which will likely be just a smidge too tall for me - my 50cm road bike's top tube is 29.5" from the floor, with very little extra clearance, and the 21" 520 claims to be 30.1". Wish I weren't so deformed (okay - true story - in college, one day I was sitting next to a rather tall male acquaintance. At the end of class, we both stood up, and he literally exclaimed "You look like a normal person, sitting down! But you're short!"). I should be able to ride it, anyway, to see if I love it. Wish I could do the same with the Surly, as I am intrigued by it. I realize that I could possibly find what I want this year, if I look elsewhere, but this guy has been great to us, and his prices have been great, for many years, so if I buy something he can get, I'd like to remain the loyal customer.

Alas, I must away! My in-laws are sitting downstairs, unattended, and we were gone most of the day, at our favorite Tri.