Touring Bikes?? Can 2 people even own 7 bikes?

[Trek420]

....they probably only make one touring bike, right?) while looking for a commute bike. It's pretty (that year's model was all black and very handsome), looks comfy and relaxed, and has touring stuff (eyelets, etc). It was heavier than I wanted, for my purposes, but that might not be such an issue if you're doing loaded touring anyway. I think it's around 25-27 lbs, not insanely heavy, but the bike I ended up with was around 20/21.

Trek only makes one touring bike? They make one of everything, I'm shocked they don't make a unicycle (maybe they do?)

No problem, there are lots and lots (and lots) of other builders to choose from

Check out V's Riv, beautiful, comfortable and light enough to do doubles on.

www.tandemhearts.com/wordpress/legolas/

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Trek only makes one touring bike? They make one of everything, I'm shocked they don't make a unicycle (maybe they do?)
No problem, there are lots and lots (and lots) of other builders to choose from
Check out V's Riv, beautiful, comfortable and light enough to do doubles on.
www.tandemhearts.com/wordpress/legolas/

The Rivendell Legolas (their cyclocross bike, which is what V. has) would cost two to four thousand dollars for a complete, depending on components and add-ons, etc. If you could get one. They've stopped making them for now.
Any other Rivendell would do well for touring- but their Atlantis model is specifically designed for heavy loaded touring. Again, a whole bike would likely run over $2,500. Seems out of the price range described.

A touring bike should have all the braze-ons necessary to attach front and back racks, panniers, and additional water bottle cages. If you plan to ride under dim light conditions you will need both headlights lights and rear lights, not just blinkies.
Most touring bikes I see in use do not have disc brakes. (I thought disc brakes were a mountain bike thing?) They do have a wide range of gearing to handle steep ascents.
You will not want to carry loads in backpacks- you'll want to have everything loaded on the bikes.

Fully loaded self-supported touring means tent, sleeping bags, sleeping pads if wanted, food, cooking gear if you want to do that, water, several tubes, clothes&toiletries, rain gear... The bike will need to be somewhat sturdy and will likely need to weigh about 25 lbs to handle medium heavy loads. Steel bikes are good for loaded touring.
Unless you are only touring in really flat areas, I myself can't see hauling 40 lbs worth of gear on a 25 lb bike and a dog/trailer combo of 70 lbs as well. This doesn't include your own weight. Well, I guess it could be done on flat routes. But then you wouldn't need disc brakes anyway.
Another consideration- will it be hot? If so, the dog would be pretty uncomfortable under the sun in a hot cramped trailer for hours at a time, bumping over the roads. Do think about whether the dog would actually enjoy the trip as much as you would enjoy having the dog along.

I humbly suggest you think of ways to make your first-time tour enjoyable and not an ordeal, so that your partner will want to do more! The second time around you will have a much better idea of what you'll want to bring and leave behind.
Why not try just an overnight lightly loaded tour with a tent etc on some bikes you already have to see how you like it before jumping in to buy new bikes? It's going to be fairly expensive for all the gear and bikes too.

Just some thoughts....

[SadieKate]

I believe Rivendell specifically stated that the Legolas was not intended for loading touring, but they make other frames that are.

[mimitabby]

I think an important thing to consider is after you use up the fingers on one hand it is polite to stop counting how many bikes you have.

[Pedal Wench]

I think an important thing to consider is after you use up the fingers on one hand it is polite to stop counting how many bikes you have.

I thought it was when I have to start using toes...

[Trek420]

I thought it was when I have to start using toes...

Does that mean only men can have more bikes than fingers and toes?

[Pedal Wench]

Does that mean only men can have more bikes than fingers and toes?

Got two more counting devices you've missed!

[nicole309]

Check out what the Keweenaw Adventure Company in Copper Harbor and see what they will be selling at the end of the season. I used to work there, so I know the bikes are well taken care of and can be a really good deal.
Hey, does that crazy shoe guy still work at Cross Country Sports? I remember many time wanting to buy stuff from them, but never being able to get the conversation to go beyond my used tennis shoes and always walking out frustrated. It was funny in a way I suppose.

[Blueberry]

Take a look at crazyguyonabike.com - there are some journals from folks who have traveled with dogs (though I don't think any are quite that large). It's also a great place to get information about different touring bikes, and what works for different people.

I have 2 touring bikes - a Bike Friday Crusoe and a Trek 520. ISTR that my 520 was not much over $1000, and I bought it at the end of the year. I've not done loaded touring on either (though it is in the plan for the future). I love both bikes. What kind of bikes do you have now? Is there a possibility one would do for short tours to try it out? Since you're touring with your DH, one of you could be lightly loaded and pull the pup in a trailer, and the other could carry most of the load. There really isn't that much more gear for 2 people than 1. You could pull gear in a trailer or use panniers. It's a matter of preference.

Good luck, and let us know how your decision process goes - as you said, we're great enablers

ETA - Make sure you think about how to get you, your pup and your gear to AK - 50lbs would have to fly cargo, which would worry me...

[Torrilin]

My partner and I have been talking about doing some touring. Mostly "ride to local state park and camp" sorts of things. Crazyguyonabike is very helpful. Lots of equipment lists, reviews, "what would I do differently" articles. Tour diaries can also help. Most people there feel disc brakes on a tourer are a bad idea, for a laundry list of structural and engineering reasons. The short version is "they break. a lot."

We want to start small, because it will be easier on the budget *and* on us. Plus, then we can start doing lots of short trips on weekends and get out more. And short trips means we can combine biking and hiking. He likes bikes, but thinks camping and hiking are more fun. I like hiking and camping fine, but like bikes a bit more. Compromise! (well that and we both think more excuses for fire and peach cobbler are win/win propositions)

Since you already *have* lots of bikes, take a look and see if you've got one that will take a rack. Add a trailer for your dog, pick a date and go for a minivacation. A 20-50 mile jaunt with an overnight in a motel or at a local state park should help shake some of the kinks out of your gear. Next time, go a bit further, and fix anything that didn't go so well. If you discover you need a touring bike, the Trek one gets good reviews. But for testing the waters you probably don't need it . Trailer and panniers first.

[Skierchickie]

Hi Nicole,

Ah yes - the shoes! Nope - Matt got his degree in elementary education, and has been teaching on a tiny little Island off Alaska for a couple of years. My DH did see him recently, out riding - he comes back here in the summers, but I haven't seen him in the shop. The shoe thing was pretty odd - I always refused to give him any, and eventually he gave up on me. DH would sometimes produce a pair, which just kept it going.

The shop has really changed - still really relaxed and laid back, but, dare I say, far more efficient than before? My favorite thing is stopping in and yakkin' with the owner. I've been buying all my toys there since 1984 (geeze, I'm old!), in spite of the occasional frustration. They've opened a second shop, too, in Houghton. A couple of the guys who worked there in college have stayed on, and run the new place.

[anakiwa]

It sounds like a touring bike would be a great addition to your stable

I own a 1991 Trek 520. It went across the country (fully loaded with me on it) in the summer of 1991. I think it's a great bike- I can't comment on the current componentry (I'm sure it's changed) but the bike I have has held up remarkably well over the years (it's needed the obvious things- tune ups, new tires, chain etc but is in great shape despite several years of near complete neglect).

I still ride this bike regularly (in fact I rode it this morning). Nowadays it's used more as a commuter and for riding on dirt roads (it's got a lot more speed and climbs so much better than my mountain mike, but it's still a lot more stable on the dirt than my road bike would be).

As far as fit goes- for me the touring bike is a little different from my road bike. A few years ago I had a road bike fitting done and discovered that most of the non-WSD bikes have top tubes that are too long for me. I changed the stem and seat-post on the Trek to shorten the reach and it's quite comfy now. Even though the distance between the seat and the handlebars is still farther than my road bike numbers, it still seems to work (I think the fact that the handlebars are not as low means that I can get away with the fact that they're a little further forward). So I don't really know much about how you're supposed to fit a touring bike- but for me handlebars a little higher and further forward than on my road bike seems to work. (I'm pretty sure Trek doesn't make the 520 in WSD sizes- if you have WSD type proportions you'll probably want to consider a different stem and seatpost to shorten the reach if you decide on this bike).

I know what you mean about getting an idea in your head and then not wanting to let it go- I probably drive people crazy when I get on a new idea.

Good luck!

[Skierchickie]

Well, I called the lbs to get prices on the Trek 520, Surly LHT, & Kona Sutra. In his research Mr Lbs found that both the Trek and the Surly are sold out in my size for the year. I'm still not as keen on the Kona, although it is still in the running. So I will probably end up waiting until next year (my instant gratification addiction has been denied! ).

On the bright side, my lbs has a price of $999 for the Trek (MSRP=$1239, per the Trek website), the Kona would be ~$1200 (MSRP $1499), and the Surly "much less", per the owner (didn't get the actual amount, as he was looking at the availability at the time, and there was nothing close to my size).

My next step is to go and look at the 21" Trek that he has there, which will likely be just a smidge too tall for me - my 50cm road bike's top tube is 29.5" from the floor, with very little extra clearance, and the 21" 520 claims to be 30.1". Wish I weren't so deformed (okay - true story - in college, one day I was sitting next to a rather tall male acquaintance. At the end of class, we both stood up, and he literally exclaimed "You look like a normal person, sitting down! But you're short!"). I should be able to ride it, anyway, to see if I love it. Wish I could do the same with the Surly, as I am intrigued by it. I realize that I could possibly find what I want this year, if I look elsewhere, but this guy has been great to us, and his prices have been great, for many years, so if I buy something he can get, I'd like to remain the loyal customer.

Alas, I must away! My in-laws are sitting downstairs, unattended, and we were gone most of the day, at our favorite Tri.