Landis Hearing

[Eden]

If I may be so bold as to suggest the Webcor - Builder team, specifically Mara Abbot. She goes to school in Walla Walla these days which makes her pretty close to a local gal, the last time I looked she was leading the NRC (national race calendar) points competition and since she is so close you may even see her racing some of the local races at times (she of course did the tour of Walla Walla earlier this year). Of course unfortunately this means after I upgrade I will be racing with the likes of her........

[Eden]

Thank you for the Slipstream link! Loooove that argyle! And you can get one of their classy argyle jerseys: http://www.slipstreamsports.com/fun.get.html

All of that argyle and what - NO SOCKS!

[Fredwina]

Anybody got some good links to women's pro cycling?

there's also www.womenscycling.net

[Kalidurga]

Thank you for the Slipstream link! Loooove that argyle! I heard about them on NPR, but didn't know their team name. Thank you! Now I'll want to follow them, too.

Not only are they an ethical team, but they seem to be chock full o' talent, too. I watched Brad Huff smoke the field for 80-something laps at the CSC criterium race last year, and Danny Pate performed well at the Tour of California earlier this year. With so many of the established pros like Ulrich, Basso and Landis getting slammed by Operation Puerto and leaving us questioning their integrity, Slipstream's a good place to look for up and coming riders to root for, who likely won't end up with negative headlines.

And, yeah, Eden, they should have socks!


Sorry for the thread hi-jack...

[equus123]

I read this on cyclingnews.com today (Letters to Cyclingnews) and thought it was really cute & funny.

Landis case live coverage
I only wish that Cyclingnews would run minute by minute updates:

12:23 PM - Landis attorney attacks!

12:25 PM - LNDD Interpreter dropped - French speaking lab tech isolated.

12:35 PM - The 'yellow tie' still looking cool, has most of his legal team around him. Looking over his shoulder for LeMond to attack.

12:40 PM - Suh looks to be a lock for the 'red tie' for most aggressive lawyer.

1:10 PM - Uncle Ron attacks LeMond. Attack immediately responded to by LeMond domestiques.

1:23 PM - LeMond finally attacks Landis. This may be the move of the day. He opens up a gap and we see Landis suffering. Uncle Ron is also suffering and dropping off the back, unable to continue with the Landis group.

1:25 PM - Landis is clearly in trouble. Jacobs starts setting the pace with Landis on his wheel, trying to pull the yellow jersey back into the race.

[IFjane]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...y07/may24news2

[bmccasland]

So maybe there could be a ladies Tour de France? At the rate the pro riders are hitting the confessional and admitting that they doped in their past attempts for greatness, there'll be room for new clean riders to fill in. TE could fill the void!

ummm, might be a problem, I think my asthema medicines are steriods., so I'm out. And I do take them because I want to be a better rider Does it count when you take medicine to try to bring lung function UP to "normal?"

What the boys have been up to is really sad. Sad for them, sad for the sport.

[RoadRaven]

Well said equus... wish you had been in the courtroom, commentating for us!
Sssssso funny!


And thanks for all the links to women's cycling ladies - I'm bookmarking this thread...!

bmcca... you could get a special certificate to ride with your meds, our Floyd (I still believe) rode despite the pain killers and meds he was on for his hip!

[RoadRaven]

So maybe there could be a ladies Tour de France? At the rate the pro riders are hitting the confessional and admitting that they doped in their past attempts for greatness, there'll be room for new clean riders to fill in. TE could fill the void!

If selected, I will wear the "Red Lantern" with pride

[PinkBike]

at one time there was a women's tour
http://www.topendsports.com/events/t...ance/women.htm

to erik zabel: say it aint so

[Kitsune06]

Do you ever really hear that much about female dopers in the sport?

[equus123]

Do you ever really hear that much about female dopers in the sport?

no! nothing! i find it weird and interesting. it seems as if men's and women's cycling are almost two different sports anyway. now with the doping situation, it seems even moreso. don't you think? oh those boys...

[missymaya]

Disclaimer:Saying this as somebody who's been riding less than 2 years and just now realized that she wants to race and doesn't know too much on the racing end(so what I'm saying might not be right):
There could be less women in cycling who dope because it's not as competitive i.e., as many participants, sponsors, televised and promoted, in the public. Maybe the women who compete at that level are just trying to get the sport moving and keep the momentum, promoting to an audience who is just now embracing it (the general public). Men's cycling is heavily promoted, has lots and lots of participants, and people all over see at as a popular sport and supports it. Look at the Tour de France: The Men's tour is televised and talked about, even amongst popular sports stations like ESPN and then there was the Women's tour, which lasted for not that long and not nearly as popular amongst the general public or popular sports stations. So, the need to win is still pretty big for the women, but there's also a need to promote the sport in general, due to the lack of popularity and doping would only hinder that tremendously.
That's just from where I'm standing and I could be wrong. Hopefully that helps.
But, the whole doping thing just sucks 'cause it makes all racers look bad and this case is just making that worse. We need to draw the line on doping in all sports aka no doping!

[teigyr]

missymaya - I agree with you. I think there are differences, also, between mens and womens sports. We love going to WNBA games because there is a different atmosphere, it isn't all showboating, and the women seem to have a different view on the whole thing.

I don't know enough about mens vs. womens cycling to make an educated statement on it but I wonder because it is "less popular", there is less pressure? Also, I am sure the money/sponsorship isn't equal between the genders. (I know it is popular and that there is pressure, of course, but the mens gets more publicity.)

Maybe if we had true equality then the women would feel as compelled as the men to cheat but for now, it works.

One last thought that I hope isn't true, could it be that in the high-ranking womens cycling community that there is less scrutiny than what is with the men? ie maybe it does happen but it isn't as much of a witch hunt?

[Fredwina]

I Think it several things:
1. Not the Boy's club- witness TE vs. the "other" cycling board
2. Less money involved, which means that the riders and teams can't afford to buy the "products" needed, plus the folks involved are more likely doing it for the love of the sport.
They are some women doper - look up Genevieve Jeanson, but she the only one I know of.