Lisa, I wish I was sore!!! I was chaffed in the most sensitive area you can imagine. Lets just say cutting pain when showering I am generally very pain tolerant and can take soreness from saddle. Heck I did my century last year on my Jett 143mm. The thing is that I only did 2x 15miles rides and was in so much pain that couldn't imagine doing it for longer rides that I plan on doing this coming weekend. Right now I am sitting and thinking wheather I should order Team Pro S despite Diane telling me its the same saddle as B17 in a presoftened model and give it a try? Or put my head down and go back to my Selle Italia >