Just called Wallbike, not sure if they were busy or what but I told Diane ( I guess it's Bill's wife) that initially I ordered b17 and exchanged it for b17s but was wondering if Team pro S would be more appropriate for my road bike as Stella suggested. Diane told me that Team pro S is the same exact saddle only different rails and rivets I told her how my bike positioned but it didn't seem like she had time to talk about or suggest something for me. In the end I cancelled my order for B17S Since I don't believe that it will take care of the chaffing problem I have either. I am really upset because I was really hoping that this saga will end with brooks