I'm trying to talk Sue F into changing from her plans of riding from Davis to Berkeley and return via Amtrak (which just sounds horrible - bridges and traffic?) to riding Atlas and Veeder. I had suggested Atlas to MP for her Tnt training rides but that she needed to do something other than Mt George such as your suggestion of Veeder and Atlas. So she put it to the test and gave it a thumbs up. I amended by taking out her extra climb up Dry Creek to the top of Trinity. This was you can ride Atlas early in the ride and find yummy food in Yountville after. Of course you can always do the extra climb or make it a smidgen easier by riding Dry Creek instead of Veeder.

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...e-Atlas-Veeder

I'm not doing the Davis to Berkeley ride no how. Want to come ride with me? Bubba is in his usual noncommittal mode but will probably go anyway, especially if he has the possibility of whiner duets.