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  1. #1
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    I know what you are talking about emily. I really s*ck at mtb, you see someone else just pulling through some difficult part of the trail and I start to think "Oh is this safe? Can I do that? Would I make the hill with that root halfway" etc. With other words I think to much whereas that other person is just doing it without thinking. I really feel insecure when riding trails and that insecurity is the cause for not being able to improve.

    That's why I stick to roads But there I have the problem that I also suck at wet roads since again I think to much about not falling. I don't think I'll ever learn.

  2. #2
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    Your race bike geometry will definitely affect how you feel going downhill. I had a racy type hardtail and always felt like I was about to pitch over the bars on steep descending no matter how far I got back (which turns out wasn't actually that far). When I got my Titus (Moto-Lite not Racer X) the slack head angle was very noticeable, I feel much more stable on steep descents now without having to go all the way back. I now have a non-racy hardtail now as well. I rode my racy hardtail for a few years, it just took more of a conscious effort at weight moving.

    How far do you really shove your backside back? I used to think I was way back until I saw pictures of myself descending and I wasn't really as far back as I could go at all. Putting your saddle down, really down, will help this. Maybe someone could take a picture of you going down something steep so you can see your position on the bike and also where your eyes are looking i.e. is it down the trail (good) or at your front wheel (usually bad). Flow comes when you look well ahead and know whats coming, if you don't you get reactive and everythings a surprise (good preparation for night riding though).

    As for Switchbacks, well... They're damn hard! I went on an MTB holiday to Spain in September with a company called "Switchbacks". There were loads of them, steep, massive rocks on them and precipitous drops off the edge if you got it wrong. We don't get that kind of thing in the UK. The way to ride them was to hang over the back wheel, keep a bit of momentum and look through the turn where you wanted to go, if you looked at the edge or any of the rocks/obstacles that's where your front wheel went. They also said to change your leading foot depending on which way the turn went - left in front for right turns and vice versa, I naturally lead with my right foot and found left turns ok, right turns were more difficult as I couldn't get my balance with the "wrong" foot in front. I'm going back next year to have another go!

    I really recommend trying descending by putting your saddle way down, it'll feel weird at first cause you can't grab it between your thighs really but the difference in control of the bike is immense! You will find it gives your quads a good workout though. Once you do that for a bit you'll naturally move further back off the saddle without having to put it down so much.

    As for tyres, they are a personal choice, I've had tyres that I've thought are positively lethal on wet rocks/roots that other people think stick like glue! Don't be afraid to change them, maybe have a look at what other people are riding to get an idea what is used on your trails?

    Keep at it, I find my progress on a bike is not linear, it tends to go in jumps, then plateaus again.

  3. #3
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    I've only been riding for a couple of months too and almost every fall I've had has been on a downhill switchback. I managed to stay clipped in on them last Saturday, but was going sooooo slow. I ride a cheapo Raleigh hardtail that probably weighs more than your full suspension. I hate being scared going downhill because that is supposed to be the most fun! My husband told me it was ok if my rear tire skid some on those switchbacks, to just go with the flow (he is new too, but he hasn't crashed on a downhill switchback yet). I so know that feeling of thinking you might just make it without going down and then you do. I was coming up on a guy on the trail the other day and my nose was running like crazy from an allergy pill I had taken. I didn't want to be seen with snot so I tried to wipe and clear out of his way at the same time. Not a good idea! I went down on a fallen tree. I was mad because I get bruises every time I fall, even if it doesn't really hurt and because I did it in front of someone. I am pretty sure I saw him laughing in the distance, but he managed to put on a straight face to ask me if I was ok :-). I know my post didn't help, but I just wanted to let you know that I am right there with you!

  4. #4
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    There's definately some good advice given everyone else... I have to agree with a lot of the comments made!! Putting the seat down just in general, particularly when you are riding single track makes a big difference. Not only does it lower your centre of gravity, but it also allows you to move alot more freely around your bike. Give it a go, and you will immediately notice the difference (at least I did!!).

    In terms of your descents - lower your seat, and go for a ride around the park on the flat. Ride at a fairly steady pace (not too fast) and see how far forward, and how far backwards you can get (obviously without having a crash!!). If you're having trouble with your descents, it may be because you're just not putting your weight far enough back (hence feeling as though you're going to endo!). Once you put the seat down you should be able to put your whole body above the rear wheel... Give it a go in the park and get used to how far back you can go... Then give it a go on the trail.

    Hope this helps!

  5. #5
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    Lot of good comments and don't lose faith!

    I rode mountain bikes for a long time and never thought I would get better. I was a real dweeb when I started and this lasted for a long time! On the other hand, some people take to it likes ducks to water! I think it has to do with your risk taking levels, your prior athletic endeavors and guts!

    Some of us have em and some of us don't - I'm still not a great technical rider, but I'm competent now and have much more confidence. For some of us, it takes building that confidence and it may take a year or so. Once you learn you can do it, then you can! So, be patient. It will come to you. Over my mountain biking career, I have had what I call ah ha moments. What I mean by that is all of the sudden I ride something and go oh, that's what I need to do and then it is easy after that!

    So, don't worry, keep working on it and try to relax! The bike handling will come, the ah ha moments will come and you WILL GET BETTER!

  6. #6
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    Emily---I don't do any mt. biking (yet). However, from my own experience at initially being fearful during ascents on pavement, as you get more experience off road, you will be more confident. I'm amazed at how I can now bomb down hills that used to have me riding my brakes.

  7. #7
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    I'm still a newbie, so I feel your pain. I really do. Pretty often, actually. But you will absolutely get better.

    The best advice that I've gotten, and I have to repeat it to myself pretty often, is as Tali suggests ... scan the trail ahead. It's easy to focus on a spot, and then not be prepared to handle the spot immediately after. When I find myself not riding smart, this is usually what I'm forgetting.

    The next best help I got this season was getting behind the saddle. I ride a hardtail, bars near saddle height. I took a weekend women's riding class locally. Day two was riding a fairly short trail, and hitting each of the 'obstacles' over and over again. It took somebody watching me to tell me that what I thought was 'down and back', really wasn't down and back enough. This helped me a bunch with the downhill switchbacks. I ride XC, and don't really have the patience to deal with moving the seat up or down every time the grade changes, but I would expect experimenting with moving the seat down would probably make you feel more confident on the downhills.

    I ride the same trails pretty often too. Mostly due to limited time to ride, but there's an up-side to that too. Each time I ride a familiar section of trail I try to do one thing better than the last time. Mini goals. I hadn't ridden 'ladders' before, and it took me riding a particular trail three times this summer before I was able to ride a couple of the more intimidating ones. (and they're still nothing to brag about).

    And when you're riding with people, don't let yourself feel rushed by the speed of the group you're riding with. Take a minute to go back over a particular section until you get it.

    Don't let yourself get frustrated, which would totally defeat the fun of being out there riding. It takes time to get good at anything, mountain biking isn't an exception.
    I don't crash so much anymore (less blood on the trail), so just call me Stephanie

    I'll tell you what I think of bicycling. I think it has done more to emancipate women than any one thing in the world. I rejoice every time I see a woman ride by on a bike. It gives her a feeling of self-reliance and independence the moment she takes her seat; and away she goes, the picture of untrammelled womanhood. ~ Susan B. Anthony

  8. #8
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    Switchbacks are hard and like Tatie said look where you want to go. This means look to the inside of the turn. If you look to the outside it's like omigosh I'm gonna go off the edge (at least where I ride there's no trees to stop you from crashing down the mountain. Looking to the inside really helps me. Also I take tight downhill switchbacks very slowly, I brake into them and then release the brake about midway. We have some banked downhill switchbacks that are awesome to fly around but most are too tight for that (and I'm not one to bunny hop my back wheel around like a maniac!)

    Here's a typical switchback on the trails I ride. Coming up you need to pedal pedal pedal and coming down...go slow!
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