A "Wheel" Compromise

[SouthernBelle]

Well, ultimately it is his job to sell you stuff, .

But with winter a-coming, you can do a little wheel research for next spring and possibly find something less expensive. Or there are people who build wheels. & that can be cheaper too. Make a note of what these wheels are made of and how they are constructed for future reference and count it a learning experience.

HTH,

[DebW]

What are the rims, hubs, and spoke count of your current wheels? You can't reduce the spoke count, but you can have them rebuilt with lighter rims. It's the rolling weight on the rim that makes the most difference. So tire and tube weight also figure in, as well as rim weight. Or compare the weight of these wheels with other available wheels in your price range.

[SouthernBelle]

What are the rims, hubs, and spoke count of your current wheels? You can't reduce the spoke count, but you can have them rebuilt with lighter rims. It's the rolling weight on the rim that makes the most difference. So tire and tube weight also figure in, as well as rim weight. Or compare the weight of these wheels with other available wheels in your price range.

Deb, that leads me to a Q about the different spoke configurations you see now. Can't say I've ever counted, but for example on my new Giant it's got the conformation that at least looks like a lower #. Am I correct? What's the deal?

[SouthernBelle]

Cheri, just noted your wheels are xeros. Your bike is a Giant as is mine When I read reviews of Giants, the only real criticism I read was of the wheelsets.

[cherinyc]

hi belle - yes it is a GIANT, and I think you're right. Only complaint being the wheels. Do you use 25's or 23's?
I think I will just upgrade my tire size for now - to the skinner tire.
Anyone got any suggestions for tires?

[mimitabby]

Cheri
this might not be the best time of year to be getting smaller tires. all the bikers i know get BIGGER tires for the winter, for wet traction. if you don't plan on ever riding on wet roads with soggy leaves on them and stuff, ignore this message.
Now come spring, it's a different story of course.
M

[SouthernBelle]

I think it came with 25s, but if you hadn't asked me I could have told you for sure. I rode with a guy who builds wheels this past Saturday and asked him how my wheels could be expected to hold up based on what I had read. He said if I were a bigger person, maybe through spring, but at my size (125-130) they would probably hold up for a couple of seasons of road.

Mimi made a good suggestion though on the weather.

Have you got them aired up to the max too? It's surprising what a little tire squashiness can do to a ride. Makes it feel muddy.

I'm holding off on any changes on my ride until spring. Then I'll invest in some good skinny slicks, among a couple of other things. But as the days here are getting short, it's getting harder to get in a weekday ride. Even with my blinky light on the back.

OH, didn't you also say you are moving? I'd delay any big change til then. Even if you do decide to go with new wheels, you want to keep the xeros as backups, and you don't want to have to move them.

[DebW]

Cheri, I'm having trouble figuring how your current wheels can be 4 lbs heavier. That's quite alot. I can't find any info on your hubs or rims - not parts for sale through the usual channels. Guess that's where Giant cut corners to keep the price down. Easily upgradable though. Using 20/24H paired spokes makes the wheels look light when they aren't. Just a marketing ploy. And if you ever break a spoke on a wheel like that, you can't possibly make it rideable enough to get home on. You're better off with a good quality rim (like Mavic) and 28-32 evenly spaced steel spokes with a 2 or 3 cross pattern. Maybe you can try out some different wheel in the next few months (just borrow wheels off friends) and compare the feel and weight of super-expensive and moderately-priced wheels (like Mavic Open Pro rims, Shimano 105 or Ultegra hubs).

[SadieKate]

Whoo boy. You found out my secret. Santa brought me some C19s 2 years ago. Yummy! http://www.topolinotech.com/

However, Deb's advice is right on. Open Pro rims paired with a good quality hub handbuilt will give you decent weight and performance for a lot less money. And, the repair factor is better. I'm considering a set of handbuilt wheels for the bike that I seem to go exploring on the most -- as in out in the boondocks where the rescue factor is pretty nil. That way, if something happens, I have a better chance of rigging a fix and getting home. Not to mention, sometimes bladed spokes on big descents with cross winds drive me bonkers.

4 lbs sounds a little much. Some of what you may have felt in the performance was a better quality hub. Less friction in the system. Better quality bearings will maintain speed better. Lets you keep coasting faster on the downhills. I wouldn't rebuild your current wheels. Save your pennies and get a nice set of handbuilts with light spokes. You'll be surprised at the better cost.

[cherinyc]

Or there are people who build wheels. & that can be cheaper too. Make a note of what these wheels are made of and how they are constructed for future reference and count it a learning experience.
HTH,

good point. i don't really care what brand they are, just the performance.

[cherinyc]

Don't really know what most of this means, but here are the stats of my own wheels:

rims: Formula Xero XSR-3 20/24H paired spoke
hubs: Alloy 20/24H,QR
tires: Michelin Dynamic, 700x 25c
spokes: Stainless Steel, 14G

Any obvious places to make changes?

[Geonz]

Be glad you could enjoy that 72 mile FUN!!!!

Sorta like riding a rocket ship... who can afford to own one?